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Ask HN: Is gun purchase data available?

7 pointsby vs2370almost 9 years ago
Following the horrible incidents I was wondering if we can build a model with gun purchase data and some other data sources like social, etc ?

12 comments

danielvfalmost 9 years ago
To get a first approximation on this, assume everyone in the US has access to a gun, then take a look at the FBI&#x27;s yearly extended homicide tables, which breaks down US homicides by demographic factors, (and means of death)<p>The first, obvious conclusion from FBI data is that a group making up approximately 4% of the US population commits about half the US homicides, mostly against others in that group, and the other 96% of the US has a homicide rate lower than England - and also much lower violent crime rate than England.
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jdc0589almost 9 years ago
Not publicly, so far as I know.<p>Any time someone purchases a gun from a store, or from most dealers at gun-shows, a background check gets run. This, + paperwork and records residing with individual sellers are your only real sources of data, neither of which are public.<p>The concept of a national gun registry has been debated hotly for quite a while, but that would <i>definitely</i> not be public if it existed.
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tmalyalmost 9 years ago
there are so many gun owners in the US. If you look at that sheer number and compare it to the number of horrible incidents involving guns, I think it would be hard to draw conclusions on gun purchase data.<p>I think building a model on other factors about the people that commit these acts would perhaps yield better results.
poof131almost 9 years ago
I think you may be going into precog territory while looking for a needle in a haystack. Some of the common patterns seem fairly well documented: disaffected male, mental issues, history of abuse, affiliation with radical islam. But most experts seem to believe finding a key indicator before hand is really impossible since you will also label so many people who will actually resist the urge to violence. The Orlando killer popped on the FBIs radar twice and they couldn’t make the call with all the expertise and experience the organization has. Machine learning a data model to predict violence will have so many false positives as to be either useless or used as a totalitarian hammer. [1, 2, 3, 4]<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.huffingtonpost.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;12&#x2F;19&#x2F;mass-shooting-psychology-spree-killers_n_2331236.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.huffingtonpost.com&#x2F;2012&#x2F;12&#x2F;19&#x2F;mass-shooting-psych...</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.livescience.com&#x2F;21787-predicting-mass-shootings.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.livescience.com&#x2F;21787-predicting-mass-shootings.h...</a><p>[3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;andrewgelman.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;25&#x2F;probability-paradox-kills-thousands&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;andrewgelman.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;02&#x2F;25&#x2F;probability-paradox-kills...</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bayesianbiologist.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;06&#x2F;how-likely-is-the-nsa-prism-program-to-catch-a-terrorist&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bayesianbiologist.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;06&#x2F;how-likely-is-the-n...</a>
hgaalmost 9 years ago
It&#x27;s not going to be very interesting, but the entire lists of NYC residents who got handgun and long gun licenses was published a while ago, less than 60K each for a city of 8 million (I counted the totals myself, easy with a fixed number per all but the first and last pages).<p>Also check the Federal government statistics as organized by the US gun industry lobby, the National Shooting Sports Federation: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;nssf.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;nssf.com&#x2F;</a> Look up the ammo production and importation numbers, well over 12 <i>billion</i> per year, and I&#x27;m not sure which include the seconds from the DoD Lake City plant that ATK sells to us (the Pitman-Robinson point of sale tax data will).<p>Maybe also check the raw numbers of concealed carry licenses, the GAO publishes these, but 10 states now don&#x27;t require a license. I&#x27;ll add that at the local level of my home county, Jasper in Missouri, as of a year and a half ago, 5% of the age eligible population had a $$$ Missouri concealed carry license (&quot;$$$&quot; because our&#x27;s is one of the most expensive, and any state&#x27;s will do if you want to save money). All these numbers are rapidly increasing as the population ages, as well as the other obvious reasons.
partisanalmost 9 years ago
Following the [X] I was wondering if we can build a model [Y] and some other data sources like [Z], etc ?<p>(X = Reichstag Fire, Y = of potential communists, Z = communist party affiliation) (X = 9&#x2F;11 Attacks, Y = of terrorists, Z = mosque attendance)<p>I guess you could, but has history taught us nothing? If I am a communist, am I a threat to you? If I am a muslim, am I a threat to you? If I have a gun, am I a threat to you?<p>I don&#x27;t own a gun or have a gun license, nor do I want to be the victim of gun violence (or violence of any kind, having experienced it), but I don&#x27;t know what you would gain from this information if you are looking to profile a potential disaster.
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akg_67almost 9 years ago
Firearms Dealers vs. Burgers, Pizza, and Coffee <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;flowingdata.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;14&#x2F;firearms-dealers-vs-burgers-pizza-and-coffee&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;flowingdata.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;14&#x2F;firearms-dealers-vs-burger...</a><p>ATF Listing of Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) - 2016 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.atf.gov&#x2F;firearms&#x2F;listing-federal-firearms-licensees-ffls-2016" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.atf.gov&#x2F;firearms&#x2F;listing-federal-firearms-licens...</a><p>This might offer a start.
jneumann004almost 9 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure about gun purchase data, but the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has some interesting information on their website (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.atf.gov&#x2F;resource-center&#x2F;data-statistics" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.atf.gov&#x2F;resource-center&#x2F;data-statistics</a>). I&#x27;m not sure if this is useful for you, but I hope this helps you out.
convivialdingoalmost 9 years ago
I read a well done statistical analysis on state-by-state gun ownership correlation.<p>You might find some of the data sources listed valuable.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;slatestarcodex.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;06&#x2F;guns-and-states&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;slatestarcodex.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;06&#x2F;guns-and-states&#x2F;</a>
sschuelleralmost 9 years ago
If you watch last week&#x27;s John Oliver you will see that due to heavy lobbying there is no proper electronic record keeping. Gun stores keep record but on paper and when they close the data is put on microfilm stored somewhere.
fapi1974almost 9 years ago
I heard on NPR that the National Institute of Justice, which is an arm of the Justice Department, has funded some studies. Might want to try there.
vs2370almost 9 years ago
to add, there is also training data available in form of people who have committed shootings or have any crime record. its then just about feature selection that could prove some causation or correlation
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