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Comodo has filed for express abandonment of LetsEncrypt trademark applications

302 pointsby FredericJalmost 9 years ago

19 comments

AdmiralAsshatalmost 9 years ago
Evidently the company realized they were fighting a losing battle, particularly after the CEO&#x27;s disastrous response:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forums.comodo.com&#x2F;general-discussion-off-topic-anything-and-everything&#x2F;shame-on-you-comodo-t115958.0.html;msg837411#msg837411" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forums.comodo.com&#x2F;general-discussion-off-topic-anyth...</a>
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nneonneoalmost 9 years ago
In the original Comodo forum thread about this issue (where the CEO made some claims about owning the 90-day certificate) there is this new response from a staff member (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forums.comodo.com&#x2F;general-discussion-off-topic-anything-and-everything&#x2F;shame-on-you-comodo-t115958.0.html;msg837436#msg837436" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;forums.comodo.com&#x2F;general-discussion-off-topic-anyth...</a>):<p>&gt; With LE now being an operational business, we were never going to take the these trademark applications any further. Josh posted a link to the application and as of February 8th it was already in a state where it will lapse.<p>&gt; Josh was wrong when he said we’d “refused to abandon our applications”. We just hadn’t told LE we would leave them to lapse.<p>&gt; We have now communicated this to LE.<p>On LE&#x27;s blog post, they mention that they have repeatedly asked Comodo to abandon the applications since March 2016. If Comodo was going to let the applications lapse as they claim, why not communicate this at the earliest opportunity?<p>To me this is a dodgy answer at best. I am not so familiar with trademark law, but I don&#x27;t believe that an application &quot;being in a state where it will lapse&quot; is in any way disarmed - it is my impression that Comodo could simply have opted to continue the process, but is pretending that they wouldn&#x27;t have in order to avoid bad press.
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AdamGibbinsalmost 9 years ago
Great to see a resolution to this issue, but this doesn&#x27;t change the huge distrust in the organisation I&#x27;ve now gained. I won&#x27;t be for the foreseeable future be buying any Comodo service again. They&#x27;re clearly horribly misaligned with my values.
ShakataGaNaialmost 9 years ago
&gt; thank the Let&#x27;s Encrypt team for helping to bring it to a resolution.<p>Translation: Thank you LE team for sending the seething rage of internet masses after us. We surrender.
ovtalmost 9 years ago
Glad they gave up, but calling it collaboration and speaking of thanking is silly bullshit.
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davidgerardalmost 9 years ago
We are switching our Comodo certs over to Let&#x27;s Encrypt because certain old Android versions we have to support work with LE certs but not with Comodo. Particularly important for APIs.<p>The 90 day expiry is a bit of a faff, but we&#x27;ve <i>mostly</i> automated it using acme.sh and automated DNS edits, and now we just need load balancer access (we just moved to new hosts). LE is a godsend and fully up to commercial use in our experience.<p>After this, there is no way on earth we&#x27;re giving Comodo money again. I would rather pay Thawte than these bozos.
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viraptoralmost 9 years ago
I&#x27;ll never be sure if this is true, but it will be in my memory... User robinalden is the CTO, who I tweeted ~2h before the response was posted (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;viraptor&#x2F;status&#x2F;746138644537237504" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;viraptor&#x2F;status&#x2F;746138644537237504</a>). Given that he only posted 13 times on those forums, I hope I actually caused him to ask Melih what he&#x27;s doing :)
dsr12almost 9 years ago
Let&#x27;s Encryption updated their blog post:<p>&quot;Update, June 24 2016<p>We have confirmed that Comodo submitted Requests for Express Abandonment for all three trademark registration applications in question. We’re happy to see this positive step towards resolution, and will continue to monitor the requests as they make their way through the system.<p>We’d like to thank our community for their support.&quot;
skywhopperalmost 9 years ago
Alas, it&#x27;s too late to save the business they lost forever from my company and others who switched our business to another provider literally yesterday. Thanks Comodo, for letting us know you are not a company we wish to do business with.
ocdtrekkiealmost 9 years ago
It&#x27;s amazing how a bit of bad press can expedite such matters. :) Nice try, Comodo, better luck next time.
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ausjkealmost 9 years ago
Never used Comodo, and never will.<p>Beside abusing the legal system, there is something else called right and wrong by common sense. A CEO does not get that really should try a different job.
jtokophalmost 9 years ago
Too late for me. Already renewed my expiring certs elsewhere yesterday.
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technionalmost 9 years ago
It&#x27;s a statement made by what appears to be a new employee, who earlier on in that thread appeared to contradict their CEO.<p>Melih&#x27;s arguing on that thread has reached the level of trollbait.
diegorbaqueroalmost 9 years ago
Still, will never buy from them again.
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tetrepalmost 9 years ago
Why do I see this post as &quot;[flagged]&quot;?
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pmontraalmost 9 years ago
A wise decision to limit losses and a face saving statement. They shouldn&#x27;t have started this, hopefully a lesson for other companies.
stanislavbalmost 9 years ago
HackerNews has won!
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56kalmost 9 years ago
&quot;the trademark issue is now resolved&quot;, amazing.<p>They clearly wanted to put them out of business because they see them as a competitor!
ComodoHackeralmost 9 years ago
OK, I won&#x27;t change my nick to ComodoPhacker this time as I planned to.<p>Does anyone know a good free alternative to their Comodo Internet Security product? I know there are plenty of free AV products, but I also use its firewall and HIPS features, especially detailed logging.