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Why Continuing to Work Is Good for a Man’s Health

218 pointsby _ofalmost 9 years ago

25 comments

andyjdavisalmost 9 years ago
&gt;“You go from working 50, 60, 70 hours a week to zero,” Moen says. “And it very much affects your identity. Who am I? For men, the answer usually is their job.”<p>I feel like this is a problem our whole life however it is only once we retire that we are forced to confront it. Until then we are able to avoid dealing with a lack of fulfilling activities outside of work, limited social connections and a weak sense of identity outside of work by simply working more. When we retire that coping mechanism goes away and you are left with no hobbies, a weak social network and a weak self image.<p>Personally, I strongly recommend trying cutting your work commitments to something like 20 hours per week. Do this for a year or so. It will give you a chance to realize that many of the things you previously did whenever you got the chance (sleeping in etc) become extremely boring when you can do them all the time.<p>After a while you will likely start to crave some sense of structure and accomplishment and the sooner you start filling the void outside of your work the better. Having a meaningful existence outside of your job will make you happier both now and in retirement.
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jaggederestalmost 9 years ago
As they say in the article, I think many people approach retirement as a cessation.<p>From what I&#x27;ve seen of my own parents, I hope that retirement for me will be more a change of <i>what</i> I&#x27;m working on, and <i>how</i> I work, rather than whether or not I work.<p>I&#x27;m also trying to make those changes now - working on what I want to work on, at a reasonable pace, at the level and times I&#x27;m interested. I&#x27;d quite happily keep doing this forever.<p>It&#x27;s a little frustrating that we reserve &quot;living well and enjoying the fruits of your labor&quot; for aged people - I&#x27;d rather enjoy it while I&#x27;m still relatively young and healthy, and mix it into my life rather than setting it aside as a separate thing.
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matt_wulfeckalmost 9 years ago
I&#x27;m reading &quot;Letters From a Self-made Merchant to his Son&quot;[0] and this particular passage stuck out at me (keep in mind the author&#x2F;merchant was very rich for his time and ran the business):<p>&gt; I hear a good deal about men who won’t take vacations, and who kill themselves by overwork, but it’s usually worry or whiskey. It’s not what a man does during working-hours, but after them, that breaks down his health. A fellow and his business should be bosom friends in the office and sworn enemies out of it. A clear mind is one that is swept clean of business at six o’clock every night and isn’t opened up for it again until after the shutters are taken down next morning.<p>I think this really is something that&#x27;s lost in our time. I know that 90% of the people reading this comment take their laptops home with them after work.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gutenberg.org&#x2F;files&#x2F;21959&#x2F;21959-h&#x2F;21959-h.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gutenberg.org&#x2F;files&#x2F;21959&#x2F;21959-h&#x2F;21959-h.htm</a>
jasonkesteralmost 9 years ago
A better takeaway from this is to make sure that your Job is not the most important thing in your life.<p>If your Job is the thing you do as little of as needed so that you can afford to spend time doing the really important things that give your life meaning, then having your Job go away isn&#x27;t anywhere near as devastating as this article suggests. It&#x27;s only because people tend to put so much of their identity into their career that this is an issue at all.<p>I &quot;Retired&quot; from the 9-5 world last year, and my quality of life has seen a noticeable spike ever since. I have always prioritized climbing and other outdoor pursuits, travel and (more recently) raising kids over working, so dropping work down to near zero just let me turn all those other knobs up to where I think they should naturally belong. There&#x27;s still a &quot;work&quot; knob in the form of the product businesses that bring in my income, and it too is dialed way down to where it belongs. Just enough to keep the mind sharp and diverted with a few hours of geekery each week.<p>So the key, in my mind, is to arrange things so that you honestly don&#x27;t miss your job once it comes time to give it up. It&#x27;s cool to work hard and all. But there&#x27;s a lot more to life than just work. If you wait until you&#x27;re 65 then are suddenly forced to go find out what those other things are, it&#x27;s going to be a lot less fun than if you start introducing them at age 25 and have them ticking away ready to take center stage as soon as the opportunity arises.
gozur88almost 9 years ago
I wonder if this article isn&#x27;t putting the cart before the horse. If you&#x27;re not getting just older but also <i>sicker</i> it gets harder and harder to drag yourself to work each day.<p>Or, to put it another way, maybe you&#x27;re working at 75 because you&#x27;re not sick instead of not being sick because you&#x27;re working.
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nevsteralmost 9 years ago
I&#x27;m thinking I&#x27;ll code till the day I die. So much cool tech is always coming out - so much to play with and invent! I also have very time consuming hobbies - reading, playing video games, pen and paper role playing games, board games.
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p4wnc6almost 9 years ago
I am only 30 but have been unemployed for about 15 months, due to a significant family health and legal situation.<p>I can definitely say that not working, even if other life needs are met, has had a hugely adverse affect. I definitely need to feel proud of what I am working on to feel whole and well.<p>Ceasing to work and then resuming a new job search is also demoralizing. Most people will not even consider hiring you unless you are already working, even if you can ace the code tests, point to open source or publicly available work samples, and explain your tech skills in extreme detail.<p>Few people seem to earnestly care what you can actually do technically. Ironically, I&#x27;ve found it&#x27;s the ones who are hyperfocused on things like HackerRank tests who are <i>least</i> likely to care. Sure, you aced our HackerRank test, but after we thought about the fact you&#x27;re not already employed we just decided no.<p>I&#x27;ve even had recruiters and hiring managers get irrationally angry at me via email feedback or in phone interviews just for being unemployed, like they are personally mad at me that they have to come up with a reason to reject me. Even when I explain it has been an unavoidable and quite severe family problem, they are still mad.<p>In a few cases it was even borderline verbal abuse. One recruiter took a very condescending tone with me and said something like, &quot;it sounds like you don&#x27;t even want to work&quot; when I told him some of the things I was searching for in my next position. Then he proceeded to pressure me on several jobs that were clearly not at all appropriate for me.<p>It&#x27;s incredibly demoralizing, and I am even quite good at what I do. Just tonight I am hacking away at some stuff involving integrating the Postgres C API with the NumPy C API so that I can easily call NumPy array functions on Postgres arrays, as a C extension. It involves knowing a lot about CPython, NumPy, the Postgres C API, Postgres arrays, and a mix of other stuff. My plan is to ultimately compare it with MonetDB, which has tight integration with NumPy arrays natively (whereas, for plpythonu functions, Postgres arrays are converted to Python lists, which is horrible).<p>This is not easy stuff, very advanced CPython stuff and I feel it shows I&#x27;m a fast learner too (I&#x27;ve only been using Python for a few years).<p>Doesn&#x27;t matter. I don&#x27;t have a job, so nobody looking to hire for the positions I&#x27;m seeking will even consider it.<p>It makes it very hard and depressing to continue trying (seemingly in vain) to keep my coding skills sharp.
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jeffdavisalmost 9 years ago
I view retirement (distant future for me) as a chance to do unappreciated work. Does the world need a new birdhouse? Who cares. When I retire, if I want to spend 100 hours on a birdhouse, then I can, and I don&#x27;t need to justify it to anyone.<p>I&#x27;ll even say it&#x27;s worth $5000 because I spent so much time on it, and put it up for sale on eBay. If nobody buys it, then who cares?<p>But sit around and do whatever the default thing is (watch TV, etc.): No thanks.
ChuckMcMalmost 9 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure why &quot;retire&quot; is equated with sitting on the porch doing nothing. Perhaps that is the image that some folks hold but I know lots and lots of people who fund their own existence through passive income (savings, etc) and do all sorts of interesting things. I need a different word for that state, perhaps self employed might be more accurate since at that point you are paying your own &quot;salary&quot;.
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reasonattlmalmost 9 years ago
Studies of health and activity have started to use accelerometers over the past decade. This has shown that even very modest levels of activity - on the order of washing dishes and puttering around the garden - have a meaningful correlation with health. This is causing something of a rethinking of the lower end of the dose-response curve for exercise.<p>So when looking at the correlations between retirement and health, I&#x27;m inclined to think that physical activity level has a lot to do with it.
up_and_upalmost 9 years ago
This literally just happened to my Dad. He went from working fulltime to being retired. He has completely lost his sense of purpose in life, mopes around, is becoming depressed. I feel bad but its also kinda pathetic. I mean c&#x27;mon dude you have decades of time to do whatever the fuck you want to.<p>To me this is a symptom of men who do not find any other purpose in their life besides working and providing. We need diversification of interests and activities for our long-term wellbeing.
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ensiferumalmost 9 years ago
I despise the use of the word &quot;work&quot; here. Basically any activity that you find rewarding and that keeps your body and mind moving will have the same effect.<p>I.e. getting out of the bed and doing stuff helps you not to become a senile cretin. It doesn&#x27;t have to be <i>work</i>
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xirdstlalmost 9 years ago
This is a concern for me as I consider &quot;early&quot; retirement. I&#x27;m not sure what I would do with all that time.<p>I took a bit of a sabbatical a few years ago and ran into some of the problems described in the article. After a few months, it did have some pretty negative effects on my mental health.
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d99krisalmost 9 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure it&#x27;s related at all, but anecdotally I found myself often falling sick after completing a crunch period at work, or taking a 1-2 week off from work. Nothing serious, but a cold&#x2F;fever typically.<p>As if being busy forces the body to not allow any sickness.
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WalterBrightalmost 9 years ago
Some years back, 60 Minutes interviewed a research chemist who was over 100, tottering around in his lab. They asked him why he didn&#x27;t retire, and he replied that research chemistry was fun.
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ovtalmost 9 years ago
This is certainly a big issue. In the comments, I see of course how it&#x27;s so vital for all of us, and yet our problems and our advice...varies because we&#x27;re all different and it&#x27;s hard to express what we are and what we love in two paragraphs. We can&#x27;t help but talk past each other somewhat with strangers.<p>Maybe what is best to take away from advice is less the specifics and more to take heart that others want to communicate and share and help.<p>For my part, I&#x27;ll say that &quot;work&quot; as such is not the place to seek meaning unless...unless it&#x27;s right there for you, isn&#x27;t hurting anything or anyone, etc.
firebonesalmost 9 years ago
FWIW, I started this thread <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12013621" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12013621</a> with the hope that we could collect some good examples of how people stay busy after retirement.<p>A great example for me is Don Melton, formerly of Safari and WebKit, who tweets routinely about his work on video transcoding [1]. I follow him on Twitter (@donmelton) and he gives me hope for any future retirement I might be lucky enough to have.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;donmelton&#x2F;video_transcoding" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;donmelton&#x2F;video_transcoding</a>
hordeallergyalmost 9 years ago
Developers are mostly anonymous among the millions - they have no identity there. This is the point of stickers on laptops, as with music shirts, a shortcut to identity.
gerbillyalmost 9 years ago
I always say that it&#x27;s best to retire every few years.<p>If I wait till I&#x27;m 65 (or 70 now) will I be be able to mountain bike, surf, rock climb and do all the other activities I enjoy?<p>If I wait till I&#x27;m 65, I&#x27;ll be too broken to do any of that.[1]<p>[1] I know that my interests will change by the time I&#x27;m 65, but that doesn&#x27;t mean those interests aren&#x27;t worth pursuing now, while I do enjoy them.
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DominikRalmost 9 years ago
Continuing to work is probably good for a man&#x27;s health if he has no (physical) activities he enjoys and no or very few friends. I agree with this.<p>That men end up in such a situation is probably due to the fact that too many of us focus obsessively on a single relationship to one person and then give up in the process their social life, their activities and hobbies.<p>And when the relationship ends for whatever reason you&#x27;ll have nothing left in your life. That seems dangerous to me.<p>Instead I try hard to keep my social network alive and meet new people just as hard as I try to keep my relationship alive.<p>I believe this is what most women are doing anyways. It&#x27;s also telling that this article is only about men. It&#x27;s as if men are following subconsciously some kind of misguided role model that will get them to a point where it is most likely even better to continue working into their 70ties or 80ties than retiring.
JustSomeNobodyalmost 9 years ago
It&#x27;s been forever ago, but I recall someone making one of those jokes that are not really. He asked, &quot;What do men do when they retire? They die!&quot;
ww520almost 9 years ago
Continue to work on your terms is good for your health.
chadcmulliganalmost 9 years ago
most people work hard for many hours a week, give up lots of stuff, so they can retire. The trouble is doing this means you give up having a life, and so when you retire you have nothing else. What&#x27;s even worse is if you do this, then your health suffers. I don&#x27;t know how many people i&#x27;ve known who do this and then get really angry that they&#x27;re retired but don&#x27;t have the health to do the things they always waited for.<p>Me I work a reasonable number of hours have holidays and breaks, I&#x27;m middle aged. I&#x27;m not planning to retire, in many ways I sort of am. I do the work I like, have people around me I want to keep. Look after my health, know what my kids are doing. I&#x27;m lucky that I can do the work I like, and get paid for it, but I&#x27;ve made choices to avoid the soul sucking super highly paid stuff. I&#x27;m pleased with my choices, I&#x27;d recommend them to anyone younger.<p>Saying this, there are times I&#x27;ve worked hard, and times I&#x27;ve had in between. Just working then retiring, then dying sucks imho
k__almost 9 years ago
I think it is sad that so many people grow up without learning what to do with their time besides working.
ameliusalmost 9 years ago
&gt; Why Continuing to Work Is Good for a Man’s Health<p>This title strikes me as overly sexist.
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