Facebook ‘glitch’ that deleted the Castile shooting video: It was the police

It seems it&#x27;s communicated with a &quot;black life matters&quot; background. Isn&#x27;t there a general problem of the police being overly brutal and using its authority in a malevolent way in USA, whether augmented by racism or not?<p>I live in France, where we&#x27;ve just had terrorist attacks, and I&#x27;m afraid we&#x27;ll meet the same pattern, 15 years later than USA:<p>- People want the police to do its job (securing the streets, which goes from checking car insurances to being detectives on terrorism),<p>- So they vote for more police,<p>- The police doesn&#x27;t do much more than assaulting easy targets, picking up girls who come to lodge a charge (true story), and walk on cyclist lanes (not much traffic enforcement because it&#x27;s unpopular and not much detective work because it&#x27;s risky),<p>- So people vote even more right-wing,<p>- Police has more powers, but still doesn&#x27;t do its job much, and assaults even more weak people,<p>- Then we get people who kill police (like in Dallas) or burn police cars (like in Paris) because they&#x27;re abusing their power.<p>Already, President Hollande made the same talk and took the same path on 13th Nov 2015 as Bush on 11th Sept 2001, so I&#x27;m a little afraid there&#x27;s a trend were.<p>Now what societal changes could happen that would disrupt a race to the bottom of police brutality, like in USA?

I assume that police officers don&#x27;t go into an encounter intending to shoot someone so it&#x27;s important to get at the root cause. Whether real or perceived, the police seem to be much more fearful of black males than other racial groups. If perceived, then I might expect black officers to have a lower incident rate as they may be less likely to feel threatened in a situation. If there is a real statistical threat (also very difficult to tease out and to avoid confounding variables) then this could be more difficult to address and ultimately this would come back to a cycle of institutionalized poverty and incarceration that breaks up families and sends people who have been hardened by jail back into the black community thereby introducing a culture of violence. Either way you cut it a history of racism is to blame.<p>Officers clearly are fearing for their lives and view potential encounters with black males through a lense of negative intent, which is causing them to react more aggressively. Greater accountability and training will be critical but only if the culture of the police force changes. This could be very difficult as a lot of police officers may take these jobs exactly because they&#x27;re attracted to the danger and violence (In Canada many of the bouncers I knew were on steroids only had high school educations and many wanted to be cops...).

For those who didn&#x27;t read the article: This is not a story about NSA-style backdoors to Facebook. They took her phone, which was already logged in, and manually deleted it.

I really hate to state the obvious, but this shouldn&#x27;t have happened in 2016 in a civilized country. The shooting that is. If the police took the phone, logged on FB, deleted the video, well ... that shouldn&#x27;t happen in any year in any country. It&#x27;s mind-boggling honestly.

Unbelievable.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=BugWAiIHTOw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=BugWAiIHTOw</a><p>Not for the faint of heart or those that can&#x27;t deal with blood.<p>Deleting evidence in a situation like this should be in a special category all by itself.<p>Note that the couple&#x27;s four year old daughter was also present.

Cops are not racist, they just have poor training. They are simply trained to shoot once they feel threatened; rather than making quick on the spot judgement on whether to shoot. The poor training removes any thought and makes it automatic. Black man + gun = shoot.<p>There are many videos of this, including one where a cop at a gas station asked a black man to show his license and then proceeded to shoot him because he thought he had a gun.<p>On the other hand shooting police officers only reinforces this kind of training. It&#x27;s an explosive situation of mistrust, emotion and idiocy.<p>Anger is such a useless emotion.

From a technical&#x2F;operations perspective:<p>That the police used her phone to delete it via vanilla facebook app is 100% plausible, but what&#x27;s far more implausible is whatever mechanism was used to restore it.<p>What are the options?<p>Facebook allows you to undelete a video an hour later? Not to my knowledge.<p>Is there another automated&#x2F;normal way for a video to undelete an hour later, especially with a modified content setting?<p>Is there an option that means something other than &quot;someone on facebook staff saw that it was deleted and explicitly restored it without instruction from the user&quot;?

11 police officers shot during protest march about this shooting and another one:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;morning-mix&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2016&#x2F;07&#x2F;08&#x2F;like-a-little-war-snipers-shoot-11-police-officers-during-dallas-protest-march-killing-five&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;morning-mix&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2016&#x2F;07&#x2F;0...</a><p>This is really getting out of hand.

Look at the consequences in Dallas!<p>Humanity has not dealt with bad information reaching this many of its lunatics at this kind of speed.<p>IMHO this is and should be the highest priority bug on the issue list.<p>Mark Zuckerberg and Larry Page have no idea what to do about it and by keeping quiet about it or being defensive about it isn&#x27;t helping.<p>Just try talking about slowing the speed of unprocessed information reaching the mentally ill, the ignorant or misguided and you will be taken out like the communist party is running the show. I expect better from the smart people of silicon valley.<p>I expect them to work out a fix. No one else has the capability.

There&#x27;s so many things that need to change in the United States for real change to be seen.<p>We need to pay our officers more and have fewer of them, If you start to pay the good ones a respectable salary you&#x27;ll get more accountability.<p>We need to train our officers better, we should have an apprenticeship program that lasts at least five years where the apprentice officer rides around with a veteran UNARMED until he picks up every skill necessary to do a good job in real time, two years of community college and then a year as park police isn&#x27;t cutting it.<p>We need to reduce conflict on the streets, Philando Castile knew that his taillight was out, the problem is that in an impoverished and racially oppressed culture these small fixes become tough to handle when you have other bills to pay. The officer was either going to ticket him or give him a warning, neither of which would have done any good long term, and so you had unnecessary conflict. We need to change the laws so that cops aren&#x27;t allowed to harass people over minor things like taillights&#x2F;inspection stickers&#x2F;small amounts of marijuana&#x2F;jaywalking you name it.<p>Black culture needs to change, stop selling CD&#x27;s on the corner with a gun in your pocket and get a job that supports your kids, this &quot;gangster&quot; lifestyle is a result of rap music.<p>The media needs to fined by the federal government for disproportionately reporting on content that is intended to get ratings and thus adds to the chaos and race baiting. How many people were killed in Chicago last week? Can you name them? The media outlets need to be fined to take away the incentive to over report on sensational news. We need something along the lines of a &quot;Fair Media Coverage Act&quot; that will completely destroy the financial incentive of media outlets that over report on sensational news, this would hopefully have the dual effect of (over the long term) slowing down the mass shootings that appear to be happening every other month. These rioters&#x2F;mass shooters&#x2F;cop killers are doing it for the 24&#x2F;7 CNN news reel and the people tune in because the chaos is interesting and exciting, like a war movie with real life ramifications. Destroy the incentive.<p>Just some ideas for real changes.

Aren&#x27;t these events statistically likely in a way?<p>1. Some white people are afraid of black people. (the other way probably too)<p>2. Most people are very afraid of other people carrying guns.<p>3. Most people are afraid of some form of resistance when they challenge&#x2F;approach somebody.<p>Add it up. It&#x27;s likely that somewhere a white policeman approaches a black person who has, or could have a gun, and experiences fear.<p>Before this is read as an excuse for the policeman, which it is not:<p>Keep in mind that fear and anger, fight and flight are intertwined. Hatred can come from fear. Fear can come after hatred. One brain-areal is responsible for both emotions.<p>The only efficient response to defuse these situations is to eliminate the &quot;very afraid&quot; above and disarm the population.

It&#x27;s always painful to watch HN discuss race.<p>The majority of us will consider crossing the street to avoid an oncoming $category_of_person. Maybe it&#x27;s black men, maybe it&#x27;s police, maybe it&#x27;s beggars, maybe it&#x27;s missionaries, maybe it is visibly agitated men of any color, etc.<p>Maybe you feel like you&#x27;ve failed a bit every time it happens. Maybe your personality changes over time and at some point you taught yourself to abstain from such behavior. But, feelings are harder to change than behavior...<p>When I pass my own problematic $category_of_person on the street (on the same side, now!), I spend a few seconds with no other topic on my mind than that person.<p>It is because deep down, some part of me still sees that person as a threat, like a cliff or a fire or a bear.<p>This is terrible, I know. Look, I&#x27;m trying to explain racism. Gimmie a minute...<p>My mother taught me, before I was old enough to know better, to avoid some categories of people. To fear them, for my safety.<p>I can, do, and will continue to overcome those crappy cards I was dealt.<p>But don&#x27;t put a badge on my chest and a gun on my hip and tell me to go talk to various categories of people in inherently heated situations and expect that evil that has been a part of me since before I can remember to never manifest itself in a statistically significant fashion. That&#x27;s stupid. Police officer is not the job for me. Duh! See above!<p>What I&#x27;m getting at is that my own combination of upbringing and later enlightenment is not uncommon. (Said differently: it&#x27;s not uncommon for a person to be less racist than their parents were, right?) And therefor some meaningful percentage of good cops who don&#x27;t consider themselves racist are, in fact, racist in a statistically significant way. Stress = gunfire.<p>...So... can we be done resisting the Black Lives Matter meme? Please? Y&#x27;all look ignorant when you do that. :)<p>p.s. the fear when walking thing dissipates immediately if a conversation happens, etc. It&#x27;s not that big of a deal, right? We&#x27;ll all have a good laugh about it one day when I am caught off guard and mugged by a white girl... Anyway, I&#x27;m sorry. I try.

I bet nothing is going to happen to the policemen involved in this scandal.

I think usa is going for civil war like this. Violence spiral that will get worse. Remember what the last civil war was about? Also media censorship will contribute to the distrust. BBC yesterday had much better coverage of the situation than fox and cnn combined.

I have been watching this thread today, and i am amazed by the speed this thread made it off the first page. It has the most reactions of any topic today 188 so far. Yet it is now on page 2....with topics still on the front page with way less comments.

Were this true, for what reason would Facebook (and specifically Mark Zuckerberg) lie about the reason? To avoid people thinking they have this capability?

I have mixed feelings about the topic.<p>Where I live, police are reasonable and populace is unarmed.<p>On the other hand US is on of a few modern republics that hasn&#x27;t produced a tyranny yet. And perhaps 2nd amendment may have something to do with that. Along with rest of the constitution.