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USB 3.0 Radio Frequency Interference on 2.4 GHz Devices (2012)

144 pointsby marcopolisalmost 9 years ago

16 comments

jmfischalmost 9 years ago
TLDR; USB3.0 high speed signals when not properly shielded can cause RF interference with RF devices operating under 5Ghz due to the broadband nature of the signal.<p>@Mods, could be titled with [2012]
derefralmost 9 years ago
I have one USB3 128GB flash drive—manufactured right on the cusp of single-package 128GB NAND becoming available—where whenever I plug it into any device, it slow&#x27;s that device&#x27;s wi-fi to a crawl, and multiplies tenfold the jitter for any connected Bluetooth input peripherals. None of my other USB3 devices do it. I always figured it was a grounding problem or something.
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serialpreneuralmost 9 years ago
I have had this annoying problem and had no idea what was going on until I stumbled upon forums somewhere after many Google searches. My Anker USB 3.0 hub would cause my bluetooth keyboard&#x2F;mouse receivers to become unresponsive at random times (in retrospect at times when the hub was placed close to the Macbook Pro). I placed the hub at some distance from the MBP and voila the issue went away!
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tlbalmost 9 years ago
The graphs show an interesting quirk of RFI. In figure 2-1, the theoretical USB 3.0 emission spectrum has a zero at 5.0 GHz (equal to its signaling rate). In figure 2-2 the measurement has a significant narrowband spike at 5.0 GHz. Never believe zeros in spectra, there&#x27;s usually something lurking under them. 2nd harmonic distortion probably causes it here.
blinkingledalmost 9 years ago
Good timing - just last night I had my speakers plugged into the NUC make weird noises every time I scrolled using a USB mouse receiver plugged into a USB 3 port. I knew it was interference but couldn&#x27;t have made the USB 3 connection without reading this.
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eggyalmost 9 years ago
I&#x27;ll have to read through it, but I sometimes shut my wireless mouse and put it in its cradle when downloading a large file over my WiFi-tethered mobile phone, place the phone in a 45-degree angle instead of flat on my desk. No scientific reason, just guessing it puts it more in direct line with the WiFi antenna in my notebook and the tower.<p>It is my sole internet connection here in SE Asia, and this seems to help, but maybe I am wish-biased!
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therealmarvalmost 9 years ago
I also heard about this problem with Seagate 2.5&quot; USB 3.0 external drives. Their cable included was not good shielded and it was causing problems with WiFi. Once the cable was exchanged with a good shielded one the problems are gone.
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pjc50almost 9 years ago
This is what all that tedious EMI testing and certification is supposed to prevent. Although I think it&#x27;s much laxer for &quot;conducted&quot; emissions ..
Relysalmost 9 years ago
I found out about this issue while purchasing an AC spec router last year:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.netgear.com&#x2F;t5&#x2F;Nighthawk-WiFi-Routers&#x2F;Netgear-R7000-Vs-Asus-RT-AC68U&#x2F;td-p&#x2F;442063&#x2F;page&#x2F;7" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.netgear.com&#x2F;t5&#x2F;Nighthawk-WiFi-Routers&#x2F;Netg...</a><p>The Asus RT-AC68U did not have proper shielding on their USB 3.0 hub (at least in their launch hardware revision) which lead to interference.
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jackvalentinealmost 9 years ago
...does this explain why my bluetooth mouse or trackpad becomes unresponsive on my 2012 MacBook Air?<p>I haven&#x27;t noticed a correlation with USB disk access and the mouse going limp, but now i&#x27;ll be looking out for it.
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heywirealmost 9 years ago
This is almost a daily annoyance for me. I have a WD Passport Ultra HDD at work, and any time I plug it into the USB3.0 ports on my Dell E6430, my mouse (Microsoft Wireless Mouse 4000) gets laggy.
jokoonalmost 9 years ago
I remember listening to FM radio with either my smartphone or a nokia candybar, when I was in the bus or tram, the radio &quot;cut&quot; for 2 or 10s or even longer.<p>I think I remember it happened on both devices.
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wainsteadalmost 9 years ago
Found this out the hard way when I bought a little USB 3.0 hub off Amazon. You can plug it in and watch ping lose its lunch, then unplug it and the wifi returns to normal. (On a 2015 MBP).
paulgerhardtalmost 9 years ago
Would this work the other way around too? I.E. use SDR to simulate a connected device over USB 3?
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infocollectoralmost 9 years ago
Does anyone have pointers to good shielded usb 3 cables of different lengths?
rimantasalmost 9 years ago
Found out about this the hard way. I was confused why my Wi-Fi was slow. Disconnected USB3.0 external drive and bam, fast network again. Now I just have this drive as far away from the computer as possible, works fine.
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