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How Tinder's “feedback loop” forces men and women into extreme strategies

74 pointsby artoalmost 9 years ago

8 comments

PaulMestalmost 9 years ago
I wrote a Tinder bot a couple of years ago and ran some interesting studies:<p>1) I placed a male profile in ~10 different cities, auto-swiped for a few days, and waited for matches and messages to flow in. I found the match&#x2F;message rates to be significantly different for each city. Sample size of ~34,000 right swipes.<p>2) A&#x2F;B test two female profiles with exact same photos and bio except 1 was a CEO and 1 was Graphic Designer. Swiped on 1000 men in NYC and 1000 men in SF.<p>3) A&#x2F;B test two female profiles with exact same photos and bio except 1 was listed as 29 and 1 was listed as 31. Swiped on 1000 men in NYC and 1000 men in SF.<p>Through my experience in this, I can see the methodology they used in this study could be flawed. Specific concerns:<p>* While I don&#x27;t have any real inside knowledge into Tinder&#x27;s &quot;recommendation&quot; algorithm of who they show to you, I assume there is a strong preference to show active users first. So if they are swiping on hundreds of thousands of profiles, they are probably burning through the legitimately active users in a region pretty quickly... that&#x27;s one reason why they get a lot of matches quickly and not as many matches over time and end up with a 0.6% match rate.<p>* The number of messages that guys send (at least as of 2 years ago when I ran my studies) is wildly more than women. The male profile was seeing an 11.8% match rate, and a message rate of 15.3% from the matches for an effective message rate of 1.8%. Whereas the women were getting an 81.5% match rate, with 63.9% message rate from those matches for an effective message rate of 52.1%.<p>* I believe there is now rate-limiting on the right swiping, so after ~100 or so right swipes, you have to wait 12 hours until right-swiping again. Really not sure how they could have made it through hundreds of thousands of profiles unless they paid for the premium membership.<p>Anyway, interesting stuff regardless, happy to release more data when I have time, if there is interest.
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benten10almost 9 years ago
Finally, a topic I can consider myself some kind of expert in!<p>For the record, here are my credentials: I&#x27;ve tinder-valeted multiple guy friends, selecting women and conversing with them and warming things up for them. My friends happen to be across a wide variety of attractiveness and success spectrum.<p>Observations:<p>1. As is obvious, attractive&#x2F;successful men get a lot more likes than women.<p>2. Guys who get lesser matches get increasingly desperate, and start liking everyone.<p>3. Being &#x27;picky&#x27; for guys is hard work. It seems funny when I put it this way, but going through hundreds&#x2F;thousand(s) of women, and even making a binary choice of yes&#x2F;no is actually pretty tiring. Even my better guy friends have tended to go on the safer side and pick the earlier choices, because oh god it&#x27;s a tiring head-aching process, even if you have a group of friends assisting you with the choice and the conversations.<p>Going through Tinder so much has made me very very very cynical either about people, or the kind of people on Tinder. We&#x27;re all stereotypes. Really. One picture with mountain in the background, one with a beach, one in Europe, one with friends, one with pet&#x2F;lonely pouty picture. Bios mentioning 1) &#x27;sarcasm&#x27; 2) love of beer 3) love of scotch&#x2F;whisky. Some mention their heights, most add &#x27; I don&#x27;t know why this matters but here it is&#x27;. Almost everyone desirable puts &#x27;not into hookups&#x27;, but rarely means it. So many other things. It was only after I started heavily using Tinder (for others) that I really appreciated meeting&#x2F;dating people more in person&#x2F;talking over the phone and got really into &#x27;old school&#x27; dating.<p>Anyone else have very different experience?
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imhalmost 9 years ago
21% of women sending a message first seems surprising. I only skimmed the paper, but it doesn&#x27;t seem like they removed bots from their data. Back when I was single, the vast majority of women messaging first were bots.
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carsongrossalmost 9 years ago
A man can have 10 children in a day.<p>A woman can have 10 children in a lifetime.<p>Only this ridiculous age could be surprised by the behavioral outcomes of this basic fact.
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brixonalmost 9 years ago
TL;DR: Men are not picky, but women are. Men can get more matches with a bio and more pics.
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purplerabbitalmost 9 years ago
A couple of my guy friends have told me they swipe &quot;Yes&quot; on every single girl. I suspect that this isn&#x27;t too uncommon.
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Retr0spectrumalmost 9 years ago
I suppose a solution would be to somehow limit the number of right-swipes that can be made, or enforcing a swipe ratio. However, that would probably end up reducing overall usage of the app, so Tinder is unlikely to adopt such a strategy.
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lloyd-christmasalmost 9 years ago
<i>quickly adds more photos</i>