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I got arrested in Kazakhstan and represented myself in court

779 pointsby drppalmost 9 years ago

29 comments

grizzlesalmost 9 years ago
This dude just grassed on all the people who bent the rules to be nice to him. With pictures. For a moment of blog fame. Very uncool.
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steven777400almost 9 years ago
Great read. I&#x27;ve never been in a situation where a bribe might have helped and so it&#x27;s good to get some idea of &quot;how bribes work&quot; for possible future reference.<p>I have noticed that it seems valuable to project being &quot;poorer&quot; rather than &quot;richer&quot; when traveling. Naively it might seem like throwing money around would grease all sorts of wheels but the opposite has been my experience (although probably I just don&#x27;t have enough money to throw around to really grease the wheels).
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exabrialalmost 9 years ago
I don&#x27;t know even what to make of this... The preamble suggests that Kazakhstan justice was superior to American justice, but after reading the whole story I&#x27;m like... dude, grow a sense of self-responsibility. It&#x27;s not like your visa expiring was a surprise... you knew exactly when it was going to happen, and YOU CHOSE to violate it without giving yourself any wiggle room. Then you willingly participated in a corrupt system, rewarding those who profit from it.<p>It would have been so much easier and involve less questionable ethics to just leave more than 24 hours in advance.
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nathan_f77almost 9 years ago
Ooh, I have a relevant story that I&#x27;ve never shared before.<p>I was living in Kazakhstan for a while and had to take the overnight train to Kyrgyzstan for a visa run. They&#x27;re very old trains. I woke up around 3am and had to use the restroom. The train had just stopped at a station in the middle of nowhere, and it was the middle of winter. I went to the restroom. I flushed. But when I looked down through the toilet, I saw snow and train tracks. These trains didn&#x27;t have anything to collect waste, they just flushed straight onto the ground. I immediately heard some loud whistles and shouting, and footsteps.<p>I rushed back to the bed and hoped that no-one saw me, but it was too late, and then we spent the next 30 minutes talking to soldiers. I wasn&#x27;t sure if they were asking for extra money, or if it was something we needed to pay anyway because we were crossing the border.<p>It was a tiny train station in the middle of nowhere, and we had no SIM cards, so I started thinking about what we would do if they kicked us off the train. I was actually kind of excited about the idea of building an igloo and sleeping there overnight, and then going to get some help in the morning. That would have been a better story, but in the end they just let us go.<p>So don&#x27;t flush any ex-soviet train toilets when you&#x27;re stopped at a station in Central Asia.
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vbezhenaralmost 9 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised, that a western man is so ready to participate in corruption. I live in Kazakhstan and I would be very afraid to bribe an official, it could become worse very fast and if you are caught with that, you&#x27;ll have to bribe much more people or end up in a jail with a very serious offence. I definitely don&#x27;t recommend to bribe an official in Kazakhstan, usually it&#x27;s better and safer to follow a law.
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dakicsalmost 9 years ago
Great story!<p>5 years ago we went on a Mongol Rally. Driving European vehicle through the Stans makes you easy prey for local policeman. My co-driver had a strategy of befriending them and sharing small gifts (pens, lighters etc.). Most expensive were Tajik GBAO guards, they got headlamps. During my shifts I had 2 encounters but played dumb, even though I&#x27;m native in similar language and could communicate. No bribes given. :)<p>Had a great time in Semey, KZ and later across the border in Barnaul. Must go back some day, driving, of course:). If you love big skies of US west, you&#x27;ll be in heaven in Kazakhstan.
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jlg23almost 9 years ago
Great read, but I don&#x27;t buy it. I&#x27;ve not been to Kazakhstan but traveled Africa and South America extensively. I&#x27;ve been to war zones. A lot of things don&#x27;t add up:<p>* A cop takes a bribe, is surprised the tourist is in some computer and then returns the bribe? I&#x27;ve never ever encountered a cop who takes bribes but does not know how the system works. They are not this stupid. This, by the way, is the best way to avoid bribing: Point out you accept punishment and let them work out the consequences for them - paperwork, getting you to jail etc. All this for a visa that expired a few hours ago? I&#x27;m sure they&#x27;ll find a less work-intensive way to let you go.<p>* Cops being happy to have some &quot;criminal&quot; around for getting drunk and they even pay? No, they rather take your money and get drunk with their friends.<p>* The girl&#x27;s story did not make much sense (abortion, breaking up, being raped, leaving school, being arrested, being dug on by a male guard while making out with a female guard and all of this within 24h? wait, what, I am missing some connections here).<p>I&#x27;m not saying that the base of the story ain&#x27;t true, but there is, IMHO, a lot of storytelling in there, too.
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mind_heistalmost 9 years ago
Is that picture going to get Irlan in trouble ?
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swimnowalmost 9 years ago
Something similar happened to me. I was a citizen of Uzbekistan at the time. I was about to fly out of Almaty. When the lady at the checkpoint saw my passport, she asked where my exit visa was. I never knew all the Uzbek citizens needed one to leave the post Soviet territory. So, I was denied my seat on the plane. Had to renew my ticket for $50. Come next day, another lady at the checkpoint says the same thing - without the exit visa I am not going anywhere. The plane was already boarding and I was about to miss it again. She saw me getting agitated and says &quot;why don&#x27;t you talk to this man here?&quot;. He said everything could be arranged for mere $300. Even though I was an actual student and poor as a church mouse, I had to pay it. I was let out.
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gheeohmalmost 9 years ago
I&#x27;m amazed by the amount of negative comments.<p>In my opinion, this is a great, well written traveling story, where no objective, willful harm was caused by the author. What I got from it was that a book should not be judged by its cover, it&#x27;s important to try and relate to people when traveling, and violence against women is a horrible problem.<p>If the names weren&#x27;t changed, you could say he was a bit naive (although the odds of this ever reaching Irlan seem somewhat small to me), but ultimately, he portrayed all of the people he met in a positive light that makes me want to visit Kazakhstan.<p>I think being in such a situation, out of one&#x27;s comfort zone, gives great perspective on what really matters (although it&#x27;s not for everyone).
mildbowalmost 9 years ago
Heartwarming story.<p>What I&#x27;ve experienced is, all over the world, people will try to help: if you seem like you need help and don&#x27;t have all the answers&#x2F;money.<p>For travelers -- if you know the local language, speak it. I had a scary experience in the same part of the word and managed to &quot;ingenious&quot; my way out of it. Speakign the local language just helps people identify with you more.<p>treat them like a person and they&#x27;ll treat you like you are a person.
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HNaTTYalmost 9 years ago
Reading this and then going back and reading his SF arrest story (linked in the article) is a real contrast.
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atmosxalmost 9 years ago
All ex-communist countries were poverty is the status quo have a similar way of dealing with things. We call it bribe, but most of us are on the <i>bright side</i> of the planet, financially speaking at least.<p>If Irlan didn&#x27;t wanted to be bribed there would no discussion. All the chit-chat was in order to induce the victim to bribe him.<p>I heard much more salty stories from my father who was a Businessmen in the Balkan area in the 90s and 00s. After 2002 the situation in the Balkan area improved a lot, but it&#x27;s not uncommon for police officers to get bribed, it&#x27;s their way to make ends meet and the easier way for a foreigner to <i>get things done</i>.
joelhaasnootalmost 9 years ago
Cute story, but wonder if the outcome would be the same if the author hadn&#x27;t originally been Russian and didn&#x27;t speak Russian.
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jgustalmost 9 years ago
Can anyone tell me what this means?<p>&gt; ...in another ten years, you will see, we’ll be living like Arabs.
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fsckinalmost 9 years ago
This reminds me of Bert Kreischers&#x27; story about his travels in Russia as part of a language immersion trip.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8PAtFsJY5q0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=8PAtFsJY5q0</a>
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polytapalmost 9 years ago
This story reflects most poorly on the author himself.
kharmsalmost 9 years ago
&quot;I could have called the US embassy, but from past experience I knew their help was often useless, and occasionally even harmful.&quot;<p>This was an interesting throw away. I wonder what his experience was.
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ommunistalmost 9 years ago
for god sake, the author has to at very least change names of the guys who sincerely helped him to avoid serious troubles.
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agentgtalmost 9 years ago
The author is very gifted writer. I was hoping for a quick skim but I could not stop reading.
Twirrimalmost 9 years ago
&quot;He who represents himself has a fool for a client&quot; - Abraham Lincoln.
lunchTime42almost 9 years ago
We are programmers and architects - do not bend the rules, we made them, your bending suggests flaws and imperfection and is offending.<p>Trains shall run on tracks. Spontanious agents are a loss of controll. The horror.
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johanschalmost 9 years ago
a) Sensationalist headline - something that seems amazing to someone who is not e.g. russian - but the person is actually russian<p>b) Outing the photo of a cute 18 yo girl &quot;who just got raped&quot;<p>Yes - an interesting story - but this is extreme clickbait likely for profit. And problematic in other dimensions. This guy is an opportunist who does not seem to care about other people.
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fiatjafalmost 9 years ago
Is this real?
cloudjackeralmost 9 years ago
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