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Q&A: Bill Gates on investments in energy technologies

74 pointsby mirajalmost 9 years ago

10 comments

safeignorancealmost 9 years ago
Going for C=0 is an impressively ambitious goal.<p>There is one thing I really like about this proposal. Gates believes our future depends upon scientific advances and resulting technological innovation, supported by modest and easy-to-justify infrastructure improvements. This breaks away from demand-side policy-centered approaches, yes. But more importantly -- to me, at least -- it breaks away from an over-reliance on old science.<p>To me, this emphasis on science <i>AND</i> technology -- rather than exclusively technology -- is perhaps an even more significant idea than primarily-supply-side thinking.<p>I think Gates&#x27; C=0 goal is probably the locus of this shift in thinking from &quot;force mass deployment of existing technologies using the levers of policy&quot; to &quot;science the shit out of this, then innovate like madmen, and only then enlist public policy when it&#x27;s truly the only missing piece (see: power grid example from article)&quot;.
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sevenlessalmost 9 years ago
&gt; Gates doesn’t blame the paucity of miracle technologies on the absence of a price on carbon<p>So governments introducing no regulations or taxes around carbon pollution isn&#x27;t a problem? Would he have said that about ozone depletion or SOx&#x2F;NOx emissions standards?<p>This reads like a typical free-marketer&#x27;s apology for Exxon lobbyists and paid denialists screwing up international cooperation on global warming.<p>Also nothing in here about using less energy.
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geertjalmost 9 years ago
I wonder what Gates thinks about the Gigafactory, whether it will result it the &quot;magic breakthrough&quot; for energy storage. Without it, Gates asserts we need large DC grids and a 20% gas based peaker capacity.
paul_falmost 9 years ago
The story is about the new Breakthrough Energy Coalition. But there&#x27;s no information on how to contact the coalition with technologies they should consider. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.breakthroughenergycoalition.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.breakthroughenergycoalition.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;index.html</a> In fact, their website says this: &quot;BEC does not accept or consider unsolicited ideas, suggestions, information, or materials of any nature whatsoever&quot;
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ZeroGravitasalmost 9 years ago
What&#x27;s he saying about a carbon tax? I found it hard to parse.<p>My best guess at a translation is &quot;the USA is too politically dysfunctional to do the obvious thing that a believer in free market capitalism would do, and so instead we need to rely on pork barrel spending going to energy projects&quot;.
rmasonalmost 9 years ago
I thought Gates was seriously looking into Thorium but I don&#x27;t see any mention of it.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;motherboard.vice.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;bill-gates-is-beginning-to-dream-the-thorium-dream" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;motherboard.vice.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;bill-gates-is-beginning-to-...</a>
Tadlosalmost 9 years ago
I like the idea of building stuff out of wood. Then we can have nice buildings and store carbon
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nojvekalmost 9 years ago
His piece on China about being the energy hub was interesting. I always get amazed how much China has progressed being the world&#x27;s manufacturer. China and India have similar number of humans and land but China is really moving its GDP.
niels_olsonalmost 9 years ago
For carbon, why can&#x27;t we just find a big hole and start dumping corn in?
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dredmorbiusalmost 9 years ago
I see some interesting points raised here, though I also have some fundamental disagreements.<p>Putting those first: what we need isn&#x27;t more time, or an energy miracle. It&#x27;s to embrace limits, the fundamental limits of Earth&#x27;s carrying capacity, and how many people, of a given material affluence, can be supported. This is a question I&#x27;ve been looking at for the past several years, or more accurately, I&#x27;ve spent much of that time trying to figure out what the fundamental question was, starting from &quot;what are the big problems?&quot; My answer:<p><i>How do we embrace limits to growth?</i><p>Gates raises a few really excellent points.<p>He dismisses the problem of not having a price on carbon. I&#x27;d return that not only is that a problem, but we&#x27;ve a much larger issue of not fully accounting for the creation or replacement price of the fossil fuels we&#x27;ve been consuming at a breakneck rate -- some 5 million years of petroleum accumulation are consumed every year. That itself is an accident and error of early economic theory (one which was very nearly corrected in the late 19th century), and of early theories, and derived law, of mineral rights law (look up the &quot;rule of capture&quot; for a few hours of entertainment).<p>His mini-biographies on Parsons and Deisel, collectively the two people who now power much of the world, was a telling rebuttal to the claim that capitalism rewards innovation. Neither man made much from their inventions, Deisel, as Gates says, committed suicide in the face of bankruptcy.<p>On the storage front, there is one possiblity that&#x27;s open to us: liquid hydrocarbons. They&#x27;re not a net energy gain, but if we&#x27;re looking for a storage solution that&#x27;s high-density, highly flexible, and has very long-term proven storage life (100 million years and counting), electrically-generated synfuels offer a plausible pathway. Specifically seawater-based Fischer-Tropsch fuel synthesis, studied for over 50 years by Brookhaven National Labs, M.I.T., and the US Naval Research Lab. There are undoubtedly complications, but it&#x27;s an underconsidered option.<p>Also on the storage front, the Dr. Sadoway mentioned is one of the recent superstars in battery storage technology. His molten salt battery isn&#x27;t something you&#x27;d want to put in a car, but with extremely abundant (cheap!) substrates, could form the basis of city-scale electrical storage. Not for hundreds of millions of years, but days to weeks, evening out supply inconsistancies for a grid dependent on intermittent renewables. The fact that this technology is facing obstacles is disheartening. It&#x27;s also why I advocate both considering sustainable, carbon-neutral paths to liquid hydrocarbon fuels, and embracing limits.
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