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Fighting Cancer

497 pointsby egorstover 8 years ago

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Practicalityover 8 years ago
Just an interesting related tangent here: My father in law is dying of heart disease (will probably die in &lt; 1 month) and we run into the same thing.<p>People see me upset and the first thing they say is he will get better, or, it will be ok. When I explain the situation, it&#x27;s something like, &quot;oh, well, I just KNOW he will get better. Don&#x27;t worry&quot;<p>What?<p>In case you are wondering: He has already had open heart 2 years ago, 4 of 5 arteries are completely blocked <i>again</i> (and those are already bypasses that are blocked again) and the remaining 1 is at 40% blocked. He found all this out when he went to one of the best heart hospitals in the world and they sent him home: &quot;There is nothing we can do.&quot; Again, the open heart to bypass all 5 was only 2 years ago, so the math is pretty straightforward on how long the one artery will last.<p>He has something in his genetics in his family that makes it so this will happen pretty much no matter what he does.<p>The advice is endless. He has done his research and I believe he has had some real success in delaying this, he has outlived his younger brother by ~20 years (who died in a similar situation at 34). But it&#x27;s over now.<p>I am trying to help his family get everything in order. And while it&#x27;s sobering, it can be a very positive experience. But I wish our friends would stop telling us he&#x27;ll be fine.
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darodover 8 years ago
I found out I had colorectal cancer 4 years ago at 33. It was a shock because I go to the gym 4-5 times a week and taught brazilian jiu jitsu nightly. There no living right or living wrong prescription that will spare you. It can catch anyone at any time just like the author states.<p>Aside from dealing with the disease, one of the biggest issues I found was disbursing information and managing the emotions of my friends and family. Everyone has questions on your daily status and a few think they can come in a provide the superman holistic miracle that will spare you from death. It&#x27;s tough to balance it all.<p>Like the author, I hate this notion of &quot;fighting cancer&quot;. Norm MacDonald sums it up best. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cc.com&#x2F;video-clips&#x2F;8kgu68&#x2F;stand-up-norm-macdonald--battling-cancer" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cc.com&#x2F;video-clips&#x2F;8kgu68&#x2F;stand-up-norm-macdonald...</a>
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karmajunkieover 8 years ago
This is a really important read.<p>Nobody really gets terminal illness until you&#x27;re either terminally ill, or right on the fringe of it. Even those of us who are one degree away from it only have the vaguest notion of it. It seems like something on the order of 30% of human prose ever written struggles with this notion of mortality [1], yet very few words are devoted to how to care about someone who is terminally ill, and even fewer on how to be there for them, providing encouragement without some kind of cheerleading. Part of this is because everyone is different, and some people really do want some of that. But my experience with it in this day is that those people are in the minority.<p>Thank you Pieter, for sharing your words with the world on this most personal of experiences.<p>[1] Totally made up statistic based on my gut feeling, so please don&#x27;t bother asking for a citation.
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nixarnover 8 years ago
A bit offtopic, but Hintjens has got the coolest activity graph on GitHub: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;hintjens" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;hintjens</a>
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univalentover 8 years ago
Powerful article. Something I can share from my own ordeal. When you first get diagnosed most people are strong and defiant &quot;I&#x27;m going to beat this thing!&quot;. It is the following weeks and months, the follow up scans that show the darn thing is back or not reduced that eventually wear you down. If you know someone that&#x27;s afflicted please keep in touch throughout or space out your acts of kindness. I found that initially everyone wanted to help (an outpouring) and in later months some help would have been useful.
ciconiaover 8 years ago
I&#x27;ve just saw my father die of cancer a week ago. Fortunately, he did this at home and was cared for by his own family, right to the end.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t describe this experience as sad or tragic. We knew for a while that the moment was coming. I was lucky enough to be with my dad when he took his last breath, and to have been able to say goodbye. I learned a lot about what to do and what not to do in the face of imminent death.
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baldfatover 8 years ago
My son fought for almost 5 years (Ages 7-12).<p>The outpouring of support was unbelievable. People I didn&#x27;t know would do amazing things for my son and family. I saw this boy with one of the saddest stories (He was adopted) and a broken spirit before cancer became a amazing young man in the midst of his slow painful death.<p>His own biological family did very little during this time. Father murdered his mother less then a year after his diagnosis and family and close friends just didn&#x27;t come around after a few months, &quot;To painful to visit.&quot; I would flip out! Then I realized you just get to find out who is a true friend and family. So some will leave people high and dry others will see you all the way through.
jMylesover 8 years ago
A beautiful read, for many of the reasons already mentioned here.<p>I&#x27;m inclined to rethink this one question, though:<p>&gt; Can a single individual patient second-guess the medical machine? Is that really their duty?<p>I don&#x27;t know if it&#x27;s anyone&#x27;s <i>duty</i>, but I think it&#x27;s completely plausible for a single patient or small group of patients to arrive at a more patient-focused conclusion than the medical industry.
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newscrackerover 8 years ago
&gt; The only way to beat cancer, really, is to die from something else first.<p>That was a short and pointed article.<p>More so after I read a short comic strip on PHD Comics about cancer [1], I can&#x27;t help but think that &quot;beating cancer&quot; is a very tough (and impossible) goal for the ones suffering from it and the ones looking for better management or reduction of it.<p>That shining light of optimism after remission is tinged with a hint that a recurrence is just a little while away, and could possibly be the end of life. I also wonder if what happens before death is more painful than the heartbreak that death eventually brings.<p>[1]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;phdcomics.com&#x2F;comics.php?f=1162" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;phdcomics.com&#x2F;comics.php?f=1162</a>
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danieltillettover 8 years ago
A important post for those of us that don&#x27;t know Pieter since it reinforces that your personal attitude does not change the outcome of cancer [1]. Cancer is a horrific disease, but it is not one that bends to our will, only our science.<p>1. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apa.org&#x2F;monitor&#x2F;jan08&#x2F;cancer.aspx" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apa.org&#x2F;monitor&#x2F;jan08&#x2F;cancer.aspx</a>
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listentojohanover 8 years ago
I also read one of his previous posts on how to prepare the family, and talk with friends about dying. I&#x27;ve rarely been so moved by a post and had such an understandment of the situation, than from his posts. I think they are a must read for most people, as we&#x27;ll most likely encounter it either through friends or family, or ourselves.
idlewordsover 8 years ago
This is a very touching and generous post. I remember the kinds of diet and treatment advice my partner would get when she was fighting cancer, all of it well-intentioned, and wish those people had read this article.<p>I came to the thread to recommend a recent book by Atul Gawande, Being Mortal, <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;atulgawande.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;being-mortal&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;atulgawande.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;being-mortal&#x2F;</a>, which covers the difficulties of dying (from age or from illness) and touches on many of the same points as this amazing post.
cslover 8 years ago
If you haven&#x27;t heard it already, there is a really good and candid podcast interview with Pieter Hintjens over at Software Engineering Daily: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;softwareengineeringdaily.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;23&#x2F;death-distributed-systems-pieter-hintjens&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;softwareengineeringdaily.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;23&#x2F;death-distrib...</a>
pixelmonkeyover 8 years ago
Related: A Protocol for Dying, an interview with him for The Changelog from June 2016.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;changelog.com&#x2F;205&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;changelog.com&#x2F;205&#x2F;</a>
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kohanzover 8 years ago
An excellently written piece, with a perspective that can only be communicated by someone who is walking that path (so to speak). The thought that the whole &quot;You WILL get better&quot; or &quot;keeping fighting!&quot; notion highlights for me is how taboo of a subject death and dying is in many cultures (very much including Western culture). I truly believe the reason people say such cruel and selfish things is because they cannot bring themselves to talk about the topic of death. It&#x27;s something we are taught to ignore until we cannot possibly do so any longer. I feel like we might live better lives if we talked about death and dying openly and throughout our lives.
jwdunneover 8 years ago
In a way, it&#x27;s similar in nature to how people will, with best intentions, tell you to smile more if you have depression.<p>I think the issue is many people don&#x27;t understand the problem and they can&#x27;t see it. In fact, someone with a common cold can expect to get more sympathy and better advice than someone with a chronic illness. The second issue is that many people struggle to think of something to say, its quite uncomfortable and the automatic choice is to give advice.
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FuNeover 8 years ago
&quot; There are people who treat the dying as easy prey. &quot; For some reason this hurt most. Maybe I expected way too much humanity off humans.
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reactorover 8 years ago
Very sensible read, just one question, he mentioned &quot;avoid junk foods, especially sugar&quot;, is sugar that bad for causing cancer?
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arisAlexisover 8 years ago
I am not sure why cryonics are not in the menu of every reader here when he has the opportunity (you don&#x27;t have it if you die in a sudden accident) to subscribe when it seems inevitable to die.
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_nullandnull_over 8 years ago
Every time I see his posts I think about the book The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying. I would recommend reading it for anyone who might be having the discussion or dealing with death in their life.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Tibetan-Book-Living-Dying-International&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0062508342" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Tibetan-Book-Living-Dying-Internation...</a>
raartsover 8 years ago
I have the utmost respect for Pieter, wherever I encounter his work it always shows passion and quality. Recently I read The Psychopath Code which I highly recommend especially to those who think they&#x27;ve never encountered one. While you can still read this: thank you. You have improved my life in multiple ways.
alfonsodevover 8 years ago
&quot;..Yet you are only as strong as the work you do&quot;<p>All the article is very inspirational, mundane things like not solved paperwork, can carry lots of head aches to the family, sadly I know it by experience.
nxzeroover 8 years ago
Yes, all deaths are tragic, but increasingly feel that humanity does not have a good measure for priortizing its efforts.<p>As an example, over half of those diagnosed with cancer are over 70 years old and 100s of billions have been spent on research.<p>What is an object way to decide if all the effort spent of cancer research is of value relative to other area of research where progress might be made?
newuser1111over 8 years ago
I want to say this story is personal for me.
codingdaveover 8 years ago
Some of this advice applies to people with chronic non-terminal health problems as well. We may not be dying, but the &quot;helpful advice&quot; from people who hear we have problems usually doesn&#x27;t go over very well with us, even if we do smile and say thanks, to be polite.
dredmorbiusover 8 years ago
I&#x27;ve been appreciating Pieter&#x27;s posts, and his occasional comments on HN (I noticed one a few days back, on technical topics). I&#x27;m also increasingly apprehensive opening them. Though the only fatal disease I&#x27;m aware of fighting right now is life, my hope is to pursue my interests so long as I can.<p>I wasn&#x27;t aware of Pieter before his recent blog topic started appearing on HN, though I&#x27;m pretty sure I&#x27;d come across his work. We&#x27;re focused on different areas of tech.<p>I have seen cancer though, and much of what he writes here hits home, hard. I lost a very good friend, far too young, several decades ago. I&#x27;m looking at their picture now.<p>And remember going through much of what Pieter describes, though not as the central participant.<p>There were the other patients we met through treatment. Some of whom made it, some of whom didn&#x27;t. And it wasn&#x27;t necessarily those who appeared strong who lived.<p>There was the cheerleading and denial and people who were meddlesome. Those of us around the patient and family did what we could to steer the away. As Pieter says: the doctors tend to know the medicine pretty well (though chasing after them when things <i>clearly</i> aren&#x27;t going right may be necessary). Unsolicited medical advice at this stage is almost always quite unwelcomed.<p>Small things can be huge.<p>What I remember, most, still: meals that showed up on the back porch with heating instructions. The neighbors had arranged amongst themselves a cooking schedule and coordinate this. No asking. No fuss. It just happened.<p>One less thing to worry about.<p>The other thing I remember was someone who, in all sincerity and good intentions, had forwarded information on a possible meracle cure. Laetrile. &quot;The slickest, most sophisticated, and certainly the most remunerative cancer quack promotion in medical history,&quot; Wikipedia tells me today. We didn&#x27;t have Wikipedia then, but I quickly established that this was in fact bunk.<p>It still makes me furiously mad: preying on sick people and those about the clinging desperately to any possible hope, in full knowledge that you&#x27;re peddling bullshit. And those who get swept up in this and pass on the misinformation. Maybe that&#x27;s why I&#x27;ve cracked down on online disinformation as well. It&#x27;s not just duty calling....<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Amygdalin" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Amygdalin</a><p>Pieter&#x27;s comments on how cancer is &quot;fought&quot; are also extremely good counsel. Some things can be manipulated and addressed directly. For others, you can only hope to set up the right set of circumstances to achieve the outcome you desire -- fighting cancer is more like tuning algorithms or seeds for some stochastic process -- a raytrace render or algorithmic music render, say, for those familiar with them -- than aiming a rifle at a target and taking shots. Our ability to directly influence events is limited, mostly you&#x27;re managing the bits about you, your environment. Staying comfortable, staying sane. So much as possible.<p>In describing dealign with those around him. Pieter reminds me of a general classification I&#x27;ve used in other contexts for people:<p>* There are those who mean to do well, but are unable to. The cheerleaders and advice givers tend to fall into this category -- their harm isn&#x27;t intentional, but it can be real all the same.<p>* There are those who cause problems through their own systemic operation. Healthcare insurance systems, vendors, legal processes, and the like. The issue&#x27;s less one of having malicious intent, though here it&#x27;s a lack of sensitivity to what their impacts on others are, or simply failing to care. The impacts on those who are sick or disabled are hugely magnified.<p>* Finally, there are those who are actively evil. Scammers, predators, sometimes even family or neighbors angling for what they hope they might be able to gain. This again makes me sick. There are no pits of hell deep or hot enough.<p>Many years after the experience I&#x27;d mentioned above (and after several others), I found a good model for offering care -- it&#x27;s the concept of a kvetching order:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;articles.latimes.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;apr&#x2F;07&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;la-oe-0407-silk-ring-theory-20130407" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;articles.latimes.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;apr&#x2F;07&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;la-oe-0407-s...</a><p>This consists of a set of concentric rings around a trauma, with the afflicted person at the center, and a growing set of less-affected care- and support-givers extending out. The basic idea is that care flows in, kvetches flow out:<p><i>The person in the center ring can say anything she wants to anyone, anywhere. She can kvetch and complain and whine and moan and curse the heavens and say, &quot;Life is unfair&quot; and &quot;Why me?&quot; That&#x27;s the one payoff for being in the center ring.</i><p><i>Everyone else can say those things too, but only to people in larger rings.</i><p>Those who cannot (or will not) grasp and follow the concept are excluded.<p>The article also has another really wonderful piece of advice: that sometimes simply listening is the support that&#x27;s needed. I&#x27;ve been on both the giving and receiving sides of that, and I&#x27;m not aware of when it&#x27;s not been appreciated (though as with other advice -- people may differ, be sensitive to their needs).<p>One more thought: at least in Western cultures, there&#x27;s often a profound lack of awareness of how to deal with death, impending death, or recent death. That&#x27;s something which could use improving (and no, I&#x27;m not suggesting a YC opportunity). I very much appreciate Pieter&#x27;s occasional communications for helping with that, at least here.
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shanacarpover 8 years ago
First, for the general Reader: Outside of really breast&#x2F;ovarian cancer, getting most common cancers at a young age is fairly within your control. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;07&#x2F;06&#x2F;upshot&#x2F;helpless-to-prevent-cancer-actually-a-lot-is-in-your-control.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;07&#x2F;06&#x2F;upshot&#x2F;helpless-to-prevent...</a><p>Pieter doesn&#x27;t have a common cancer and he&#x27;s way beyond that stage within stage IV cancer. In general it&#x27;s really rude to say &quot;fight more&quot; because he&#x27;s right, what do you think these patients are doing instead, joining the circus? Fighting isn&#x27;t a great metaphor. The reason it got introduced was so that Reagan would create the National Cancer Institute, a Division of the NIH. A full page ad was taken out by Mary Lasker and the American Cancer Society to convince him that researching the causes and cures for cancer was a US healthcare priority (and to be frank, at the time, it essentially was) asking him to declare war on cancer in the NY times because the US was in the middle of the cold war. The other thing that the add did (along with the creation of the Jimmy Fund) was it normalized discussions of cancer in the US at that time. To explain how much of a big deal that ad was, my maternal grandmother died around 1973-1974 of cancer. The ad came out in 1969. My maternal grandfather is only now settling the argument if it was metastasis of her internal breast cancer from when she was younger, new breast cancer that spread to the bones, or a totally new bone cancer, because now we talk about cancer, whereas in 1969 -73 talking about cancer was difficult if not possible.<p>----<p>Aa a personal note to Pieter, if he sees this: 1) I&#x27;m extraordinarily happy you are doing as well as you are in your end of days and I hope you are enjoying them to your fullest. i hope, for whatever it&#x27;s worth, you are still experiencing moments of joy too. 2)im slightly concerned as an American about your distrust of marijuna at this stage, especially since it seems like low pain and enjoying food is a high priority for you. In the US, marijuna is partially approved (don&#x27;t ask) for cancer patients as an appetite stimulant and pain suppressor, and many of the chemicals in it are made synthetically and prescribed to cancer patients for the same purpose. Meanwhile, many opiates are appetite suppressants (that&#x27;s the other reason behind the Medrol). Since you deserve to enjoy your time and have as many thalis as you want, just think about it. (Again, I&#x27;ll totally admit that this is a bias of seeing Americans treated) 3)do you need help getting the paperwork done. On a percentage scale, how much is left? How much can be done by volunteers&#x2F;family&#x2F;friends? (And I hate asking this, how much is in English, because I&#x27;m happy to volunteer, but I&#x27;m an English speaker...) 4)thalis. Mmmm. Thalis.
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olantonanover 8 years ago
Quitting Twitter. Not quitting Twitter.<p>Dying. Not dying.<p>Sustrik is God. Sustrik is Satan.<p>What&#x27;s up with this guy.<p>&lt;&#x2F;nasty-joke-from-big-hintjens-fan&gt;
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Kenjiover 8 years ago
Unfortunately, despite what this article says, there <i>is</i> a choice between fighting cancer or not: The best way to give up is stopping to eat (which probably isn&#x27;t that hard if things like chemotherapy and severe illness pretty much remove any feelings of hunger).
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milesfover 8 years ago
I lost both my parents last year to cancer. Both were Christians, and so am I.<p>I know many people find Christianity and the subject of faith to be uncomfortable, even offensive. But that&#x27;s because the Christian message _is_ offensive. It makes claims that exclude all other options, that evil is real and that we are responsible for it. To me, either the message is true or it isn&#x27;t. There is no grey. Either Jesus Christ was a liar, a lunatic, a legend, or He is Lord God Almight.<p>Penn Jillette, the famous atheist and half of Penn and Teller had it right, that if we removed all the scientific research in the world we would be able to rebuild it all, but religions would be all different. I agree with him, and so does the Bible. It says that God reached down to us, delivered messages in ways that statistically rule out purely human effort, and gave us a choice to trust Him or not (have a look at <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;thebibleproject.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;thebibleproject.com</a>) . In the end, everyone&#x27;s going to get what they want (if you want Jesus Christ you get him, if you don&#x27;t you won&#x27;t). That&#x27;s why for my Dad and I, we both had to be convinced that the Bible was not simply human in origin.<p>Whatever your view, I can only speak to my own experience. The loss of my mom September 1st, 2015 to double-hit lymphoma was very, very painful (she was 68). But in the midst of the pain was a hope and peace as explained in Philippians 4:4-9 (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bit.ly&#x2F;phil4_4-9" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bit.ly&#x2F;phil4_4-9</a>). Then, unexpectedly 120 days later, my dad died from lung cancer (age 72), leaving my brothers and sisters and I with a property and 47 years of marriage and memories for us to sort through and deal with.<p>We are all going to die. The question is not if but when. To put off the discussion about what happens after you die is to deny reality itself, and telling others not to have that discussion or that their position is stupid or foolish is really dumb. Oh, and in case you think the Christian message is foolish, the Bible agrees with you that it is <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bit.ly&#x2F;1cor1_18-25" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bit.ly&#x2F;1cor1_18-25</a>
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