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Unlimited Vacation and Other Forms of Guilt-Based Management

32 pointsby mirajalmost 9 years ago

7 comments

wtracyalmost 9 years ago
I'm inclined to believe the claim that "unlimited vacation" was originally a way to get around having to compensate employees for unused vacation days when they leave the organization.
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MandieDalmost 9 years ago
It&#x27;s better to give a generous fixed vacation allotment - then everyone knows where they stand and what&#x27;s expected of them. Maybe even combine it with conference allotment, if there are conferences your employees really want to go to, but not to staff your company&#x27;s booth.<p>I get six weeks vacation per year, and therefore don&#x27;t mind spending one of them helping out with a conference I love.<p>However, there are no rollover days, and my manager would catch hell from the works council if I hit November with four weeks still available for the year - unless I already had approval to take December off from earlier in the year.<p>Edited to add: I live in Germany, and my employer has a contract with IG Metall, the big metalworkers union, and six weeks vacation was part of that deal.
e28etaalmost 9 years ago
What are the other forms of guilt-based management?<p>Flexible working hours and&#x2F;or free meals, with a work culture that has people working long hours?
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georgeecollinsalmost 9 years ago
I recently worked at a &quot;no vacation policy&quot; aka unlimited vacation company. Anecdote is not data, but here are my experiences:<p>- Like many startups, people did not take much vacation.<p>- It was probably cheaper and certainly easier for them not to reimburse you for unused vacation.<p>- When in my second year I proposed taking a second trip (two weeks off total) I could sense the disapproval. I&#x27;m a reasonably senior person and taking two weeks off a year does not seem like that much to me.<p>- Vacation was sometimes the precursor to giving notice. People knew they were leaving, so it became safe to take a vacation and then give notice at the end of it.<p>I would avoid companies with this policy.
ahhalmost 9 years ago
&#x27;patio11 put it well: &quot;Suppose your company offered &#x27;unlimited salary&#x27;.&quot; Makes it pretty clear the social pressures that would show up.
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Alex_Buttersalmost 9 years ago
What about the idea of mandatory vacation? If a company gives you 2 weeks, you must take it. If 2 weeks before the end of the year you have not used it, you can&#x27;t come in then.
sokoloffalmost 9 years ago
&gt; In 2008, when you’d have been among the first companies to try [unlimited vacation]<p>Nonsense; I had this in 1997 and I think it was &quot;far from unique&quot; even back then.