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Flaws uncovered in the software researchers use to analyze fM.R.I. data

67 pointsby the_duckalmost 9 years ago

8 comments

caminantealmost 9 years ago
Whoops...<p><pre><code> &quot;there are abundant opportunities for error, particularly when you are relying on software to do much of the work. This was made glaringly apparent back in 2009, when a graduate student conducted an fM.R.I. scan of a dead salmon and found neural activity in its brain when it was shown photographs of humans in social situations. Again, it was a salmon. And it was dead.&quot;</code></pre>
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lbenesalmost 9 years ago
The authors&#x27; of the paper feel it is being misinterpreted and tried to submit errata to PNAS:[1]<p>They tried to change the following sentence:<p>“These results question the validity of some 40,000 fMRI studies and may have a large impact on the interpretation of neuroimaging results.”<p>To<p>“These results question the validity of a number of fMRI studies and may have a large impact on the interpretation of weakly significant neuroimaging results.”<p>Link to discussion in &#x2F;r&#x2F;NeuroScience: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;neuroscience&#x2F;comments&#x2F;4ri72b&#x2F;the_software_for_fmri_analysis_results_in&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;neuroscience&#x2F;comments&#x2F;4ri72b&#x2F;the_so...</a><p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.warwick.ac.uk&#x2F;nichols&#x2F;entry&#x2F;errata_for_cluster&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.warwick.ac.uk&#x2F;nichols&#x2F;entry&#x2F;errata_for_cluster&#x2F;</a>
sctbalmost 9 years ago
Recent discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12032269" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12032269</a>
irremediablealmost 9 years ago
Much better article and discussion in the link that sctb posted. This article has a number of issues... it&#x27;s conflating several different problems with fMRI without really explaining them, then arguing that it&#x27;s worthless -- as opposed to just needing more groups to follow best practices.
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colecaalmost 9 years ago
This story reminds me of the Therac-25 (although no deaths were attributed to this bug). The book &quot;Fatal Defect&quot; should be required reading for any software engineer.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Fatal-Defect-Chasing-Killer-Computer&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0679740279" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Fatal-Defect-Chasing-Killer-Computer&#x2F;...</a>
mwestalmost 9 years ago
Whoops. Certainly an interesting contrasting article to the recent:<p>Why bad scientific code beats code following “best practices” (2014) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12377385" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12377385</a>
brainsturgeonalmost 9 years ago
How does this affect (or does this apply to) the recent &quot;new brain map&quot; paper from the Human Connectome Project?<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;nature&#x2F;journal&#x2F;v536&#x2F;n7615&#x2F;full&#x2F;nature18933.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;nature&#x2F;journal&#x2F;v536&#x2F;n7615&#x2F;full&#x2F;nature1...</a>
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libeclipsealmost 9 years ago
Am I mistaken or has this been on the front page multiple times already?