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Permafrost ‘bubbles’ are leaking methane 200 times above the norm

116 pointsby FuNeover 8 years ago

13 comments

harwoodleonover 8 years ago
Aside from the shock value of this, this underlines that there are feedback systems that we have kicked in. I think the science is not clear, we are still learning about the effects. Climate sceptics are right in a perverse way, we have no idea really what we have done.
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haversine02over 8 years ago
It&#x27;s a shame that the whole matter of global warming has been politicized and muddied so much by special interests that average person simply doesn&#x27;t care anymore. That&#x27;s why it&#x27;s especially weird to see something like this published in Daily Mail. The positive feedback loop is definitely happening though, but the magnitude and extents of it could still vary.<p>To be honest, I don&#x27;t believe we can stop this, not with the current population size and the current economic model.
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FrozenVoidover 8 years ago
Its seriously bad, and we still argue about electric cars and profitability of solar power: Methane is powerful enough to create rapid warming feedback loop that cannot be stopped by current means(unless the world economies are changed overnight), there is a model that shows +6C warming effects if methane reaches 1000ppm(2000 Gt release): <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;journals.ametsoc.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;abs&#x2F;10.1175&#x2F;JCLI-D-11-00533.1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;journals.ametsoc.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;abs&#x2F;10.1175&#x2F;JCLI-D-11-00533....</a> Notice the predictions of methane release from 2013 are on track: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;environment&#x2F;earth-insight&#x2F;2013&#x2F;aug&#x2F;05&#x2F;7-facts-need-to-know-arctic-methane-time-bomb" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;environment&#x2F;earth-insight&#x2F;2013&#x2F;a...</a>
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spiderfarmerover 8 years ago
Serious question: Is there any research in how far will nature be able to adapt? For example, if the permafrost melts, wouldn&#x27;t that enable growth of CO2 absorbing plants in those areas?<p>I found this article that says the predicted CO2 levels will increase plant growth: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;scitable&#x2F;knowledge&#x2F;library&#x2F;effects-of-rising-atmospheric-concentrations-of-carbon-13254108" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nature.com&#x2F;scitable&#x2F;knowledge&#x2F;library&#x2F;effects-of-...</a>
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pmyjavecover 8 years ago
Those photos really look like something out of a science movie, hard to believe we&#x27;ve let it get to this point.
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bjz_over 8 years ago
Yale Climate Connections on the melting permafrost in 2013: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FLCgybStZ4g" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FLCgybStZ4g</a> - sad to see we have been moving so slowly in the three years since I watched it.
TheSpiceIsLifeover 8 years ago
Somebody light a match! Seriously, why don&#x27;t they burn it?
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csoursover 8 years ago
I didn&#x27;t read the article closely enough, but I&#x27;d be interested to see if this methane is released from a stored source or if it is from rotting vegetation.<p>Much of the permafrost area is a frozen swamp; when it thaws, the swamp plants rot.<p>In other words, this may be a one-time outgassing of a limited amount of vegetable material, at least in this case. We still have the clathrate gun to worry about.
vixen99over 8 years ago
Elsewhere in the arctic: Geophysical Letters 22 JUN 2016: onlinelibrary.wiley.com&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1002&#x2F;2016GL069292&#x2F;pdf reports &quot;No significant increase in long-term CH4 emissions on North Slope of Alaska despite significant increase in air temperature&quot;
patrickmnover 8 years ago
Related interview with Natalia Shakhova from the International Arctic Research Center: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;kx1Jxk6kjbQ?t=9" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;kx1Jxk6kjbQ?t=9</a><p>Very ominous.
dharma1over 8 years ago
I have wondered if we couldn&#x27;t engineer solutions to capture the methane. Locating the leaks should be straightforward with spectral satellite imaging
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tominousover 8 years ago
The headline is incredibly misleading and looks like a misinterpretation by the Daily Mail (not known for their quality journalism in the first place).<p>The &quot;200&quot; figure refers to the concentration of methane in the released gas compared to the atmosphere, not the total amount released in the Arctic compared to usual.<p>Poor article.<p>EDIT: This HN post originally linked to a Daily Mail article with a bad headline. The Siberian Times headline is still misleading but not quite so egregiously wrong.
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phaemonover 8 years ago
Original story is from the Siberian Times: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;siberiantimes.com&#x2F;ecology&#x2F;casestudy&#x2F;news&#x2F;n0681-now-the-proof-permafrost-bubbles-are-leaking-methane-200-times-above-the-norm&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;siberiantimes.com&#x2F;ecology&#x2F;casestudy&#x2F;news&#x2F;n0681-now-th...</a><p>(the Daily Mail? Seriously?)
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