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AngelList Braces for Rainy Days as Startup Seed Funding Falls

141 pointsby pavornyohover 8 years ago

9 comments

swansonover 8 years ago
&gt; Investors can buy a share of the fund, called the Access Fund, for $100,000 or more.<p>This is really interesting to me, but I wish it were at a $10k level. That would be a no-brainer shift for me to move some money going into Vanguard into this, but I&#x27;m in that weird spot where I&#x27;m not rich enough to have $100k to toss around but am maxing out a Roth IRA and looking for more upside.
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rchover 8 years ago
Weird article. AngelList is raising money to make new investments and reports an unrealized 46% IRR, and that somehow makes for a gloomy story.
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malchowover 8 years ago
The boom&#x2F;bust assumption undergirding this Bloomberg article is belied by what AL is itself doing –– creating instruments that allow the private tech capital market to expand and contract in a fashion that is smoother and less stepwise.
mangelettiover 8 years ago
I&#x27;m going to make a prediction. This isn&#x27;t going to be popular, and it&#x27;s only my opinion and doesn&#x27;t constitute advice:<p>This fund will not earn its investors a positive return.
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logicalleeover 8 years ago
this is absolutely ridiculous. there is next to no seed funding in existence. Let me tell you how the seed market for startups is: imagine you had a orchard, right, but instead of apples it grew dollar bills, and you just had to water them or they wouldn&#x27;t grow. Under this scenario a guy with acres of dollar-tree bills could not get funding to water them with some kind of farm equipment. That&#x27;s the state of the startup world.<p>You read all those PG essays about not dying? About bootstrapping? Well because it turns out the only way to capitalize a typical startup is to stand in front of your dollar-bill tree and urinate. Or organize some kind of free sporting event with the side effect of making people go piss on your trees. Then 97% of your trees die except the 5 you pissed on, but you can take them to the bank and next season repeat. That&#x27;s how bad startup seed funding is.<p>You could not literally fund money growing out of thin air.<p>I sometimes think that the government should step in and fund these things (after all, even Tesla got gov&#x27;t grants.) Because the private market sure as #@$% isn&#x27;t.<p>EDIT:<p><i>This is already at -2 but I am keeping it without altering a word, because the downvoters are wrong and uninformed (or don&#x27;t understand the analogy), and I am right and well-informed, also it&#x27;s a good analogy. It&#x27;s not even close. Here is an example of someone in Europe describing this precisely:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12198883" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12198883</a><p>Notice the words &quot;With a product like that, the second thing that we didn&#x27;t expect was that we tripped the &quot;too good to be true&quot; sensor everywhere, raising doubts.&quot; (you might have to click parent from the comment I linked.)<p>It&#x27;s not as bad in silicon valley as it is in Europe. But it&#x27;s not that far-off either. There is next to no seed funding in existence. This is a fact. Downvoting me won&#x27;t change it. Now at -3 after posting this update. Still right. Still not changing a word.</i>
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contingenciesover 8 years ago
I feel like AngelList is a specialized social network with maximum utility ~10 years ago and for people who already know each other or are clearly in the same network, who basically use it as a less-spammy LinkedIn. I&#x27;ve had zero luck communicating with people over it and have frankly given up in favor of raising domestically here in China.
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tedmistonover 8 years ago
&gt; Meanwhile, AngelList is adding new ways for people to get into private-company investing. With some 600 startups expected to raise money through the website next year, AngelList said it’s creating a sort of index fund for young companies that will hold shares in 100 to 200 startups. Investors can buy a share of the fund, called the Access Fund, for $100,000 or more.<p>This could be interesting. I wonder if it will be restricted to accredited investors or offered to the layman?<p>As always, of course there are no guarantees in startup returns, but spread over that many companies... well, I&#x27;m not sure what to expect. I guess it all depends on the returns and how they decide to pick companies. It could be a cool new take on index investing. Then again, I became wary of most things &quot;cool&quot; and &quot;new&quot; in investing.
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mixedbitover 8 years ago
Is seed funding or seed funding through AngelList falling?
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hamhamedover 8 years ago
I have a startup and want to raise money. It just feels like listing on Angellist won&#x27;t do anything, and I&#x27;m better off doing &quot;offline&quot; (emails) traditional way of raising. It just feels like good deals are done through emails and meetings not through a portal. At least for now