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The going rate for self-driving talent is $10M per person

143 pointsby sagivoover 8 years ago

14 comments

emcqover 8 years ago
&quot;In fact, the only machine learning program in the world, according to Thrun, is at Carnegie Mellon, which still isn’t churning out talent fast enough to meet the industry’s demand&quot;<p>While there is a separate department for ML at CMU, many schools have machine learning and&#x2F;or robotics departments. Suggesting it&#x27;s the only place to become educated in this stuff is simply false.
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user5994461over 8 years ago
Short version of the article: A few startups in the self-driving space were recently acquired [by Uber,GM,Google,...] for $10M per head.<p>It&#x27;s common to see successful tech startups selling for $1M per head. The extremes go for a lot more money. Nothing new. Way too much clickbait in the title.
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dhruvpover 8 years ago
Hi all! I work at Udacity on the Nanodegree program mentioned in this article. Feel free to ask any questions and I&#x27;ll do my best to answer them. You can also email me at dhruv@udacity.com or join our slack channel for interested applicants at nd013.udacity.com
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lordnachoover 8 years ago
&gt; You’re looking for experts in computer vision, robotics, intelligent systems artificial intelligence and so on.<p>Doesn&#x27;t every CS program everywhere have courses like that? My brother is finishing up a CS at an Ivy, and he&#x27;s got a bunch of those types of courses.<p>Now if there&#x27;s a bunch of courses, there&#x27;s presumably a bunch of people qualified to teach them. Surely 10M is too high a number?
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driverdanover 8 years ago
There are a lot of recent grads out there with CV and machine learning experience. Maybe not 5000 but there are more than the article makes it sound like.<p>When we had a CV internship listed we got multiple applications per day with minimal promotion. A reasonable percentage of them were decent (experience, working towards post grad, etc). CV is cool shit so tons of people want to do it.
thr0waway1239over 8 years ago
Oddly, this sounds about right considering the weight you would have to bear forever if you ever hear of some fatal incident involving some technology you built.
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Animatsover 8 years ago
Maybe I should have stayed in self-driving. But in 2006, the field was dead, and I got into other things.
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tomrodover 8 years ago
Interesting. What is the mix of skills needed to be an automotive engineer in the self-driving space?
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kriroover 8 years ago
So how unreasonably would it be to ask for a 1 million(+) cash signing bonus from Google as a fresh CMU graduate (if they want to I&#x27;d agree and make it repayable proportionally if I leave after X month)?<p>At the very least I&#x27;m guessing that fresh employees have more leverage than they think. If you think 1kk is too much maybe 100k? Or maybe ask for them to pay your rent while you work there?
eggyover 8 years ago
I have a mixed hands-on practical history, and an eclectic self-taught background in AI, computational intelligence, and machine learning before it was called that. From experience, can say you need the guy who can put it all together in a real working prototype. There are tons of academics smarter than me, and some of my past collegues, but it only counts where the rubber meets the road, aptly punned.<p>I have been self-teaching myself neural networks, genetic programming and algorithms and AI since the 80s. I remember the &#x27;Decade of the Brain&#x27; the 90s and reading Patricia Churchland and Terence Sejnowski&#x27;s book &#x27;The Computational Brain&#x27;. I was also a welder building motorized and pneumatic and hydraulic animiatronics in the 90s. I started to go deep on the engineering, and it helped a lot, but there was a guy I worked with who commanded the time and space and materials in front of him, and had a gut feeling on how to put it all together.<p>Systems integrations is important, but interative and incremental design, also familiar as a design methodology in coding is the way to achieve results. This is because the individual engineering of subsystems, and the subsequent computer modeling fall short of the emergent behaviors of a real physical prototype.<p>If I were hiring, I would not be scouring Udacity or the Unis, but lone wolf garage engineers and tinkerers with the math aptitude too. Two of the successful companies I worked at started in somebody&#x27;s garage, and both were not college educated. Find people who have managed to somehow put together 60% of what you&#x27;re looking for and then fund them and set them loose.<p>Too many of the engineers I&#x27;ve worked with were great with churning out the stuff they were taught, but in the one-offs, or bespoke, which seems to be the fashionable word nowadays, they failed miserably with &#x27;paralysis through analysis&#x27; too much analysis.<p>This is why when I had my own business in the early 2000s, I lamented the death of the trade school in the U.S. It was very difficult finding young people who could actually build stuff. The maker movement is welcoming, but a lot of it tends to be mechatronic, and high tech. You don&#x27;t see too many &#x27;makers&#x27; nowadays that are capable of fabricating without a 3D printer, or making heavy-duty iron mechanical monstrosities like some &#x27;Junkyard Wars&#x27; aficionados were building for a while.<p>This is also why it is hard to find people to work on the BIG projects like tunnel-boring machines (well this has picked up somewhat), or other big equipment. Now imagine finding someone who can also design compliant controls and mechanics for all of this. Certainly worth $10M per person!
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pontifierover 8 years ago
Coincidentally the sparkfun AVC was today. You can see videos on their website, but here is a direct link to the start of the classic autonomous race.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;XjWWUj6ia34?t=27m16s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;XjWWUj6ia34?t=27m16s</a>
koriasover 8 years ago
Using the logic in this article on other, more established companies highlights the silliness of the &quot;$10M per person&quot; sound byte:<p>Uber is valued at $60bn, has 6000 employees -&gt; $10M per person<p>Google is valued at $500bn, has 50000 employees -&gt; $10M per person
goldfeldover 8 years ago
Great, here I was looking for a chaffeur with experience in self-driving.
jsprogrammerover 8 years ago
I doubt the average engineer at one of those companies got compensation of $10M. Most of the money&#x2F;shares&#x2F;options&#x2F;compensation likely went to management and investors. It would not be surprising if sama made more on a deal than an acquired engineer.<p>Can we get a fact check, YC?
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