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Japan has a worrying number of virgins, government finds

68 pointsby vikasr111over 8 years ago

17 comments

abstractbeliefsover 8 years ago
Before we get into a huge discussion about virginity, it&#x27;s worth noting that the government isn&#x27;t actually worried about it. They&#x27;re worried about fertility rates.<p>Virgins sell more papers though, so lets get that clickbait going.
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unsignedintover 8 years ago
Having relationship in Japan can be tough when a lot of people are under non-permanent employment which they would get paid less and is unstable. Even if one&#x27;s lucky enough to have a stable job, there is a problem of practically mandatory overtime (which, incidentally, can be unpaid.)<p>Though, gap between ideal and reality is certainly a one of issues out there, but financial and time issues have a lot of impact to this problem.
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Animatsover 8 years ago
Japan has a fertility rate of 1.41. Replacement rate is around 2.1 to maintain the population. Here&#x27;s the world table.[1] Most of the developed world is below replacement rate. Most of Africa is above 4. India is at 2.51; China is at 1.55. Singapore is at the bottom at 0.8.<p>It&#x27;s amazing to see that much variation between countries.<p>Maybe Japan shouldn&#x27;t have cracked down on love hotels.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indexmundi.com&#x2F;g&#x2F;r.aspx?v=31" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.indexmundi.com&#x2F;g&#x2F;r.aspx?v=31</a>
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mariodianaover 8 years ago
&gt; There was one clearly positive indicator in the survey: For the first time, the proportion of women returning to work after having their first child in Japan&#x27;s once notoriously patriarchal society exceeded 50 percent.<p>In all seriousness, if the concern is low birthrates, how is the above a &quot;clearly positive indicator&quot;?
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scytheover 8 years ago
What is concerning is this:<p>&gt;Most people surveyed said they want to get married at some point.<p>This isn&#x27;t delineated by gender, so I interpret it as meaning that Japanese men and women both want to get married -- but they aren&#x27;t enough for each other.<p>&gt;A booming industry surrounds Japan&#x27;s growing condition of loneliness, a phenomenon at once quite particular to the Japanese, yet also a glimpse into a future where many people live atomized lives mediated exclusively through personal technology.<p>That modern philosophy tends to devalue (or rather not value) human relationships is the one thing I&#x27;m tempted to blame this on:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;philosophyinseconds.files.wordpress.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;the-schizophrenia-of-modern-ethical-theories.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;philosophyinseconds.files.wordpress.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;the-...</a><p>But that is probably personal bias creeping up. Working hours are the popular explanation, but there is an incongruity: <i>most</i> Japanese claim to want to have relationships, so if they thought working hours were the problem then why haven&#x27;t they complained? And how could they fail to notice something so obvious? If housing prices are the problem, how does this occur when Japan&#x27;s population has been in decline for forty years?<p>I&#x27;ve heard of this phenomenon (and similar ones in Western Europe) and I pick up and discard economic explanations like bottles of some alcoholic beverage. But the alarm in the back of my head says that <i>our</i> culture is the problem, and it just happens to be popular in Japan. If that&#x27;s the case, things will get worse, not better.
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crazy_antover 8 years ago
Disclosure: I&#x27;ve been living in Japan for half a decade now.<p>There are a number of interplaying and compounding factors that are responsible for creating this situation. I will list a few in no particular order.<p>- The hours are absolutely insane. My partner rarely leaves her office before 10pm, and by the time she does, she is completely exhausted and unable to do anything other than hit the sack. This type of situation is <i>extremely</i> prevalent and generally affects both men and women. It is no wonder that young people have no time to socialize, go out and meet potential partners when they spend 90% of their waking hours working or otherwise subordinating to this insane work cult.<p>- Japan is a country of predefined roles and expectations, and at different ages people are fully expected to meet certain benchmarks and seamlessly transition into new roles. One such role is that of a provider, and men are expected to be able to become full-time breadwinners by the time they hit 30. With the economy being what it is and the traditional Japanese notion of lifetime employment being a thing of the past, a lot of men aren&#x27;t able to live up to these expectations and simply drop out of the dating pool. Some of it is involuntary, since Japanese women tend to maintain very high expectations as to what a man needs to be able to provide.<p>- Sex is generally highly available and there are all kinds of parlors, services, salons, middlemen and clubs catering to both men and women. It&#x27;s cheap, legal and safe, thereby creating a disincentive for people to attempt and engage in the old fashioned mating process. On top of that - and this is going to sound completely nuts to those who aren&#x27;t familiar with the country - there are full-time gigolos, both foreign and domestic, whose only life goal seems to be getting as many notches as possible. They approach women on the street, in bookstores, train stations, malls, you name it. I know a few of these characters and many of them have notches in the 3 figure range and juggle up to 7 women at a time. It&#x27;s all they ever do, and I suspect that they tie up a huge number of women at any given point in time. I can&#x27;t say I&#x27;ve noticed the same phenomenon in any other country.<p>- The local culture isn&#x27;t exactly touchy-feely and even when people date, it&#x27;s something they do because it&#x27;s what young people are supposed and expected to do, not because they like their partner or dating in particular. Just a curiosity I&#x27;ve noticed with many couples.<p>Obviously, the situation is very complex and cannot be explained with a simple narrative, but I hope this helps clarify things a little.
hasenjover 8 years ago
IMO a decent solution to the low-birth-rate problem is not to try to hook up all the singles together, but rather encourage existing couples to have more children.<p>Make it socially acceptable and even desirable to have more children. Give incentives to working men who have more children.
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mangecoeurover 8 years ago
Perhaps the darker side that could be missed is that despite their demographic problem, Japan continues to refuse to let in more young foreigners in to help balance the demographics.
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zxcvvcxzover 8 years ago
Low birthrates, low marriage rates, sure that&#x27;s a problem for a nation.<p>But I don&#x27;t think virginity need be a problem. If one wants to wait until they meet their right partner why not? Data shows this leads to stronger bonds (though the causation is unknown and may be something like religion).<p>It&#x27;s not like more premarital sex even correlates to higher birth rates. If fact for first world countries the correlation has been the inverse since the introduction of the pill in the 1960s.<p>I suspect child rearing is one of those things that mentally many consider to be a nuisance, but once it happens and there&#x27;s a kid our emotions take significant hold and it becomes all important.
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OSButlerover 8 years ago
It would be interesting to hear the point of view from a Japanese on those numbers. How is the dating scene? Are those numbers surprising or matching with your own experiences?
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nsaslidefaceover 8 years ago
Why is population decline from the current levels inherently bad again?
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d--bover 8 years ago
Is that a coincidence that this got upvoted just days after this came up? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12504271" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12504271</a>
peterkellyover 8 years ago
Those pixelated genitals are an unfortunate physical trait, and would certainly be a turn-off for me in any potential relationship
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gjolundover 8 years ago
As opposed to Europe&#x27;s solution, where they allow unrestricted immigration from volatile areas?
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ausjkeover 8 years ago
immigration will solve all these issues for now? Japan is not alone. In the future I think the babies can be born outside of the womb at some centers in volume per nation&#x2F;race&#x27;s needs.
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eternalbanover 8 years ago
I had a conversation with a Japanese American artist a couple of years ago on the general topic of the post-WWII infantilization of Japanese culture.<p>I believe we reached a sort of mild agreement that Japan&#x27;s collective unconscious is still trying to process the shock of being on the receiving end of a nuclear attack.
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PaulHouleover 8 years ago
So that&#x27;s why every chick in a Japanese porno flick is a virgin.