TE
TechEcho
Home24h TopNewestBestAskShowJobs
GitHubTwitter
Home

TechEcho

A tech news platform built with Next.js, providing global tech news and discussions.

GitHubTwitter

Home

HomeNewestBestAskShowJobs

Resources

HackerNews APIOriginal HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 TechEcho. All rights reserved.

On Denoting (1905)

34 pointsby callumlockeover 8 years ago

3 comments

lisperover 8 years ago
I wrote my master&#x27;s thesis on this in 1985. Back then there was a branch of the AI research community that was hung up on the following problem: John knows Mary&#x27;s phone number. Mary and Bill have the same phone number, but John doesn&#x27;t know this. If we translate this into formal logic in the straightforward manner it seems we can draw the false conclusion that John knows Bill&#x27;s phone number:<p>Knows(John, Phone(Mary))<p>Phone(Mary) = Phone(Bill)<p>Therefore: Knows(John, Phone(Bill)) by substitution of equals<p>How do we prevent this? The answer, of course, is to distinguish between Phone(Mary) and &quot;Phone(Mary)&quot;. When we say that John knows Mary&#x27;s phone number what we really mean is that John knows that &quot;Mary&#x27;s phone number&quot; denotes X for some particular X, i.e.<p>Exists(x): Knows(John, denotes(&quot;Phone(Mary)&quot;, x))<p>Because &quot;Phone(Mary)&quot; != &quot;Phone(Bill)&quot; (despite the fact that Phone(Mary) = Phone(Bill)) you can no longer draw the false conclusion.<p>I once had the opportunity to chat with John McCarthy and I presented this solution to him and he said (I&#x27;m paraphrasing), &quot;Yes, that&#x27;s what makes QUOTE in Lisp such a cool idea.&quot;
评论 #12590676 未加载
评论 #12592432 未加载
评论 #12591259 未加载
评论 #12591333 未加载
triplesecover 8 years ago
Heavily influential to all of this was Frege&#x27;s &#x27;on Sense and Reference&#x27;. Best link I can give from my mobile is to a search, where you can find pdfs and the helpful wiki entry: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=on+sense+and+reference" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=on+sense+and+reference</a>
jkingsberyover 8 years ago
I like that this essay is basically just describing what a noun is, but the word &quot;noun&quot; doesn&#x27;t appear in it.
评论 #12590684 未加载
评论 #12594330 未加载
评论 #12591344 未加载