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Can you explain the ICANN transfer?

114 pointsby Claudusover 8 years ago
I&#x27;m kind of surprised there isn&#x27;t a recent thread with comments and analysis of the impending relinquishment of US control over ICANN to another body.<p>I&#x27;ve read several articles, but I&#x27;m still having trouble understanding the reasoning, or even the technical details.<p>Does anyone understand what&#x27;s going on?<p>What exactly is wrong with the current setup?<p>I would greatly appreciate an informed opinion.

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kijedaover 8 years ago
In operational practice, very little will change. The staff who perform the IANA function of managing the DNS Root Zone etc. will continue to do the same job, although those staff will now work in a separate subsidiary of ICANN. One operational change will be NTIA, an agency of the Department of Commerce, will no longer be required to authorize every change to the root zone in advance.<p>In addition, ICANN the organization will have new accountability measures that will allow the community to challenge decisions it makes. It provides new powers like spilling its Board under certain circumstances.<p>One of the main drivers to change the current setup is NTIA&#x27;s role above is seen as undue US government influence in what should be a purely technical operation by many. Over the years some have advocated fundamentally altering how ICANN works (like moving it to the UN) because of the US Government&#x27;s influence. By transferring the primary oversight role to the multi-stakeholder community (users, business, non-profits, etc.) who have always really driven ICANN&#x27;s decisions anyway, it is hoped that that criticism will go away and pressure to fundamentally alter how it works will dissipate.
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jnmandalover 8 years ago
This transition has been in motion for over a decade now. NTIA (part of Department of Commerce) has some good material on it here: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ntia.doc.gov&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2016&#x2F;what-theyre-saying-why-its-important-complete-iana-stewardship-transition" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ntia.doc.gov&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2016&#x2F;what-theyre-saying-why-its...</a><p>I think a lot of politicians (ahem Ted Cruz) are trying to frame the transition in a shadowy way to discredit the current administration, but its simply a procedural thing thats been in the works for a long while.
sp332over 8 years ago
Ars Technica has a pretty thorough overview. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;tech-policy&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;y2k-2-0-is-the-us-government-set-to-give-away-the-internet-saturday&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;tech-policy&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;y2k-2-0-is-the-us...</a><p>ICANN has a list of squashed conspiracy theories. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.icann.org&#x2F;iana-stewardship-questions" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.icann.org&#x2F;iana-stewardship-questions</a>
textmodeover 8 years ago
There is no &quot;transfer&quot; of anything. Anyone can edit the root.zone file. I use my own curated version. Great for blocking ads, etc.<p>But for many years no one did this, except very rarely. And the honors were left to some folks in the US, IANA&#x2F;ICANN. Do not be fooled by the acronyms and the fabricated processes and formalities on the official websites. IANA was essentially one person. Bless the hearts of those who worked to create the early internet but these &quot;organizations&quot; derive their &quot;authority&quot; from nowhere. The internet is an abstraction, a term to describe different networks that cooperate.<p>The generally static nature of the root.zone file changed recently. It has doubled, maybe tripled in size and is now filled with TLDs such as .loans and .cologne. As well as trademarks such as .google, .microsoft, etc. These can also capture traffic from users who type strings into address bars that are not FQDNs.<p>ICANN charged $85K+ just to bid on these beauties; they made some very easy money. Most of them are worthless. Exit time for ICANN. :)<p>Now that it is filled with garbage, and perhaps anticipating some finger-pointing, it is time to acknowledge that the root.zone belongs to everyone and is managed by all countries of the world, not only the US.<p>The &quot;transfer&quot;. More fabricated formalities.<p>The truth is that anyone can exercise control over the root.zone file, and anyone can serve it. Whether you choose to follow them or not is up to you. (Most users just let default DNS settings decide this for them.)<p>Similar to the early IANA, one person can do this job. I maintain and serve my own root.zone. I am the only user but there could just as well be hundreds of users. This could grow to thousands which could grow to millions which could grow to hundreds of millions which could grow to...<p>This is what happened with the DNS. It started out small and grew big. Believe it or not it is still not that big. I could fit all domain names in existence on consumer-sized storage media.<p>Thus concludes an opinion. Mildly informed.
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dealthciderover 8 years ago
Admittedly, there is a bit of a lie by omission in the statements of ICANN. By agreeing to hand the institution over to an international stage, we are agreeing to censor access to small websites or alternate-view websites that don&#x27;t conform to the standards or views of the corporation in charge of the new ICANN. In effect, we would be blocking access to small websites, limiting freedom of speech over the internet, and possibly in the future having internet access begin to mirror the same level of restrictions that television has.<p>Then, the international corporation would decide what websites you can access, and if the website you want to have a look at doesn&#x27;t adhere to the corporation&#x27;s view, it will simply become inaccessible.<p>There is also the question of political relevance; that is, why the urgency? Why require that this be passed during the Obama administration just before an election, and without congressional input?<p>To stop this? See this petition.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wh.gov&#x2F;iMbbv" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wh.gov&#x2F;iMbbv</a> Which routes to: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;petitions.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;&#x2F;petition&#x2F;stop-icann-handover-corporate-interests-which-will-censor-access-small-websites-using-dns-routing-loophole" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;petitions.whitehouse.gov&#x2F;&#x2F;petition&#x2F;stop-icann-handov...</a><p>ALSO, an interesting side note:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zerohedge.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016-09-29&#x2F;4-states-sue-block-obamas-internet-transition-plan" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zerohedge.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016-09-29&#x2F;4-states-sue-block-...</a>
Claudusover 8 years ago
I guess my concern, and as a simple question:<p>Right now domains like wikileaks.org and thepiratebay.se exist. Will they continue to exist in the same manner going forward? Or, in a few years, will attacks on these domains be made, and their domains seized?<p>I&#x27;m really concerned about this, above all.
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mirajover 8 years ago
usually this is my 1st stop to understand current topics re: ICANN etc. ::<p>Milton Mueller at Internet Governance Project (1).<p>his latest blog post may shed some light (2).<p>1. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.internetgovernance.org" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.internetgovernance.org</a><p>2. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.internetgovernance.org&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;28&#x2F;its-over-yestoiana&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.internetgovernance.org&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;28&#x2F;its-over-yestoi...</a>
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erichoceanover 8 years ago
&gt; <i>&quot;The US government has never, and has never had the ability to, set the direction of the (ICANN) community’s policy development work based on First Amendment ideas,&quot; ICANN said in a statement. &quot;Yet that is exactly what Senator Cruz is suggesting. The US government has no decreased role. Other governments have no increased role. There is simply no change to governmental involvement in policy development work in ICANN.&quot;</i>[0]<p>This is the primary issue I have with every single one of ICANN&#x27;s rebuttals[1]: nothing will change (so they say), and yet, here we are, <i>making a change</i>.<p>Okay, then, here&#x27;s a stupid question: why is a change being made? Ted Cruz may be an ass, but that doesn&#x27;t make ICANN&#x27;s position correct.<p>If nothing will change, they guess what? No change is necessary. If it ain&#x27;t broke, don&#x27;t fix it.<p>If something <i>will</i> change, then ICANN should be entirely up front about what that change exactly is. Instead, we get a bunch of denials that nothing will change, the US has no current role anyway, yadda yadda yadda, but serious you guys, <i>we have to change this right now</i>.<p>We&#x27;re talking about managing the DNS system here, that&#x27;s not an &quot;insignificant&quot; thing, as other commenters have suggested.<p>Yes, existing ASes can already block specific domains today. Fine. But ICANN could <i>easily</i> become a Title IX-type situation, where ASes are <i>forced</i> to block specific domain names in order to remain part of the global Internet system.[2]<p>It&#x27;s true it doesn&#x27;t police ASes that direction <i>today</i>, under the <i>existing</i> ICANN governance model, but there&#x27;s (to my knowledge) no reason why that <i>couldn&#x27;t</i> be true today (under US control), and I see no reason why adding &quot;more stakeholders&quot; will make the situation any less likely in the future. If anything, it makes it <i>more</i> likely: look at the UN. Certainly ICANN itself doesn&#x27;t think it&#x27;s any less likely, but here&#x27;s what they don&#x27;t say: with this change, it&#x27;ll be <i>extremely</i> hard for US citizens to fix if it does come about. That&#x27;s not &quot;insignificant&quot; to me.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;tech-policy&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;y2k-2-0-is-the-us-government-set-to-give-away-the-internet-saturday&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;tech-policy&#x2F;2016&#x2F;09&#x2F;y2k-2-0-is-the-us...</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.icann.org&#x2F;iana-stewardship-questions" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.icann.org&#x2F;iana-stewardship-questions</a><p>[2] For instance, consider how the US Justice Dept. is using &quot;Dear Colleague&quot; letters in 2016 to force schools to adopt a less-rigorous sexual assault policy or face loss of federal funding. ICANN could apply similar pressure to ASes in the future (not funding, but zone updates or whatever).
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zerognowlover 8 years ago
Does anyone know if jurisdiction has anything to do with this? I&#x27;m no lawyer, but I have a small inkling this has to do with International Law and the global nature of The Internet. Personally I try to route around ICANN with things like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opennicproject.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.opennicproject.org&#x2F;</a> and things like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cjdelisle&#x2F;cjdns" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;cjdelisle&#x2F;cjdns</a>
pastPrologover 8 years ago
&gt; What exactly is wrong with the current setup?<p>What exactly was wrong with the 1998 setup? ISI and Jon Postel were managing fine back then.<p>I also don&#x27;t recall a &quot;US control over ICANN&quot; that could be &quot;relinquished&quot; being part of the original ICANN proposal. I don&#x27;t think that would have gone over well with the European operators at the IETF meetings. If it had been they probably would have stuck with the CCITT&#x27;s x.25 networks, Minitel and such.
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erichoceanover 8 years ago
Agreed, the blackout on HN regarding the ICANN transfer is very, very strange.
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