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The ‘Dyson Sphere’ mystery deepens: Star keeps dimming

141 pointsby tonybeltramelliover 8 years ago

19 comments

jasoncrawfordover 8 years ago
Here&#x27;s a better explanation in a long (but readable) series of posts from an actual astronomer, Jason Wright: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sites.psu.edu&#x2F;astrowright&#x2F;2016&#x2F;08&#x2F;30&#x2F;what-could-be-going-on-with-boyajians-star-part-i&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sites.psu.edu&#x2F;astrowright&#x2F;2016&#x2F;08&#x2F;30&#x2F;what-could-be-go...</a><p>In this series he details several hypotheses and ranks them.
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dave_sullivanover 8 years ago
Blackhole starlifting makes more sense to me than Dyson spheres (see section on star lifting): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;1104.4362" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;abs&#x2F;1104.4362</a><p>&gt; Importantly, researchers have concluded that a thin accretion disk around a rotating black hole is the most efficient power source in the universe , a process up to ~50 times more efficient than nuclear fusion occurring in stars (e.g. Thorne 1974; Narayan and Quataert 2005). If any civilization is to climb the Kardashev scale, it would certainly at some point want to master that energetic source. We call such an endeavor black hole star lifting<p>Instead of a Dyson sphere, you&#x27;re using a black hole (and apparent mastery of gravity) to leech energy directly from the sun.
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delectiover 8 years ago
As a really crazy thought, is it be possible that networks of Dyson Spheres throughout the universe would explain the lower level of visible matter vs the gravity we observe? That is, Dyson Spheres obfuscating their contained stars as an explanation for dark matter?<p>Similarly, the heat would still escape from them. Could that explain the CMB?<p>(I expect that I&#x27;m way off the mark, but if nothing else it could make for an interesting premise for some sci-fi.)
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_andromeda_over 8 years ago
If &quot;By far most of the solar system&#x27;s mass is in the Sun itself: somewhere between 99.8 and 99.9 percent&quot;, then I can&#x27;t help but wonder if there is enough matter to cover the sun&#x27;s surface area to create a real Dyson sphere. Where would this matter come from? Is there enough matter in left in the 0.1% (shared by the rest of the solar system) to completely engulf the sun?
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test6554over 8 years ago
Occam&#x27;s razor: If you see mysterious dimming in a star, it&#x27;s definitely aliens.
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nealsover 8 years ago
So interestingly, hiding you star in a Dyson sphere, turns it into the loudest beacon in the galaxy, for a while.<p>If we wanted to be &#x27;found&#x27; by aliens, we should do this to our sun.
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littlegreenb18over 8 years ago
It&#x27;s Morning Light Mountain
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bradorover 8 years ago
If I was building a Dyson sphere I would launch multiple modular solar panels into orbit around the star. This is the cheapest scalable way to do it while I collect resources and send more as my energy needs increase.<p>The problem then is getting that energy out. I&#x27;d use lasers from my panels to my planet. That means my solar panel collective in orbit around the star will have to always point to my planet for maximum efficiency so I don&#x27;t have useless panels since there&#x27;s no way i&#x27;m building a battery at star energy scale on each panel.<p>The dimming you see would then be based on the orbit time of my planet around the star, since the panel half halo will always be pointing at my planet. Essentially geostationary around the star.
mckossover 8 years ago
Why not just a binary dwarf sucking material (somewhat chaotically) out of its more luminous twin?
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lordnachoover 8 years ago
So if you make a Dyson sphere, your planet is either inside or outside of it.<p>If it&#x27;s outside, you might get complaints about the shutting off of the day&#x2F;night cycle.<p>If it&#x27;s inside, you get all the sun&#x27;s light reflected off the inside of the sphere. Kinda blinding.
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trelliscodedover 8 years ago
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s_kilkover 8 years ago
My wager: It&#x27;s a fleet of mega-spaceships passing across the star, probably much closer to us than to the remote star. Hence irregular dimming that doesn&#x27;t seem to repeat predictably.
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mmmBaconover 8 years ago
Measuring absolute brightness is hard. It would be good to compare the measurement error is in brightness of a reference star of about the same magnitude and distance(and even perhaps a known variable star) to the observed changes in this star.<p>In the lab under ideal conditions with ideal light sources, it&#x27;s pretty common for there to be &gt;2.5% error in these types of measurements. For those used to dB unit, this is a ~0.1dB change. In optics, it&#x27;s very easy to introduce error at this level.
jlebrechover 8 years ago
so there are in the middle of building the dyson sphere?
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chanandler_bongover 8 years ago
I still say it is a giant alien Aldis lamp, and we just don&#x27;t understand their Morse code.
krigeover 8 years ago
My wager: The star is being eaten by a cosmic horror called Hellstar and it will be soon coming our way. Now excuse me while I take off my Junji Ito hat.
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trm42over 8 years ago
Unicron, devourer of worlds!
joeclark77over 8 years ago
Maybe it&#x27;s Slartibartfast&#x27;s workshop.
simonhover 8 years ago
Starkiller Base powering up!
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