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A Mexican architect has a vision for a city straddling the U.S.-Mexico border

82 pointsby waqasadayover 8 years ago

15 comments

dogma1138over 8 years ago
The problem with US&#x2F;Mexican &quot;relations&quot; isn&#x27;t cultural, ideological or philosophical it&#x27;s mostly due to the economic disparity between the 2 nations and a city won&#x27;t change it.<p>There are already places where the US and Mexico effectively share a cross border municipality&#x2F;urab environment.<p>Adding another one won&#x27;t change anything it can either create a false state if only the richest of Mexicans move in or will result in the same state as many other border urban areas right now where the Mexican side provides cheap day labor and a &quot;safer&quot; platform for criminal activity due to the financial disparity.
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mc32over 8 years ago
It&#x27;s interesting that Mr Romero didn&#x27;t decide to want to build this city on the Guatemala-Mexico border to grant Guatemalans access to the benefits of the Mexican economy.<p>For reals though, Mexico needs better government. Dirt poor countries with a quarter the resources are beating them badly, Korea, Malaysia, Chile. They have squandered opportunity after opportunity, Venezuela is catching up though.<p>Activists would do quite a lot more good by demanding better from their own government. I mean better management and governance.<p>It reminds me of people saying if Trump wins they&#x27;ll flee to Canada... That&#x27;s the worst thing you can do, if you actually care for outcomes.
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eternalbanover 8 years ago
&gt; “With technology, those borders are just becoming symbolic limits”<p>Architects say the darnest things, sometimes. Technology has not rendered the legal regiments of distinct states to mere symbolism.
ASalazarMXover 8 years ago
There&#x27;s an annual celebration between the cities of Brownsville, Texas and Matamoros, Tamaulipas which could have been the precursor of this idea. It&#x27;s called &quot;Día del Charro&quot; (Charro Day) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Charro_Days" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Charro_Days</a>.<p>The two cities are in such good terms that even in the late eighties migration control was suspended one day so people could freely cross forth and back to see the parade starting in downtown Brownsville and ending in downtown Matamoros.<p>This free crossing was discontinued due to federal laws, but the two cities remain as close as ever.
DominikRover 8 years ago
How many of these centrally planned utopias have ever worked out well for the people?<p>I&#x27;d prefer if political parties would openly state their policy and how they will change the laws instead of saying one thing and then in secret ignore existing laws to create a situation with tens of millions of illegal immigrants that is now hard to deal with humanely.<p>Nobody is going to win a popularity contest with the policy to deport millions of people, but no one would have won a popularity contest either by importing millions of people.<p>Now they can all shrug their shoulders and say it&#x27;s not our fault, but it clearly is someones fault. It is possible to have a secure border with mostly legal immigration, other countries did it before and they do it today as well.<p>Aside from that it isn&#x27;t beneficial for Mexico that some of their brightest men and women move to the US while their drug cartels smuggle money and weapons into Mexico which they use to corrupt and slaughter their own people.
whybrokeover 8 years ago
The Tohono O&#x27;odham people lived happily straddling the border drawn as a straight line in Washington.<p>That is until 1980.<p>Strange that &quot;progress&quot; makes a human system that worked happily for 10,000 years suddenly an unthinkable conduit to crime in some people&#x27;s minds.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tohono_O%27odham_people" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tohono_O%27odham_people</a>
hasbroslasherover 8 years ago
Good to finally see some hexagons put to use in city planning. The more-area-per-perimeter effect is a great template for a future where automobiles are less common and there are more people. Plus they just look cool.
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xigencyover 8 years ago
Ignoring the political significance of this design, the cubic street layout would either be great or awful based on experience with diagonal streets.<p>Does anyone know of examples of other cities with striking diagonal layouts?
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gokover 8 years ago
&quot;Also: No sprawl.&quot;<p>Fitting that the article this line actually links to is titled &quot;El Paso Is Learning That Not Everyone Hates Sprawl.&quot;
sverigeover 8 years ago
Laredo &#x2F; Nuevo Laredo are pretty close to this already. Just remove the border guards and build a couple more bridges.
kinkdrover 8 years ago
Aside from politics, the hexagon pattern looks nice, but how is he planning to manage traffic at the points of intersection? A 3-way traffic light will create terrible traffic jams.
Grishnakhover 8 years ago
This is a stupid, stupid idea. Cities that cross borders are a problem wherever they are, because of the administrative difficulties involved: you can&#x27;t have a single, consistent set of rules and laws spanning the whole city, you don&#x27;t have a single government managing it, etc.<p>We already have a LOT of problems here in the US where metro areas are comprised of multiple cities, and worse, cross state boundaries.<p>Ask anyone who lives in one state, and drives to the other state to go to work every day, how they like doing their taxes: it&#x27;s a nightmare of forms every year because there&#x27;s multiple taxing authorities they have to answer to.<p>Or look at public transit that crosses state boundaries, such as that used between New York City and New Jersey. It&#x27;s a mess, because there&#x27;s no single government that the transit agency has to answer to and is accountable to. Funding is always a problem because again, there&#x27;s no single government that controls it, and no single electorate that government is accountable to.<p>Even a metro area within a state, but composed of multiple cities can have problems. In the Phoenix metro area, there&#x27;s confusion at traffic lights because all the cities have leading left turn arrows, <i>except</i> for Scottsdale which has lagging turns. This has caused many accidents because drivers get used to one or the other and then drive across one street and suddenly the standards change.<p>There was an interesting college project back in the 70s called &quot;The 38 States&quot; (google it) where a class decided the current US state borders were badly drawn and led to too much inefficiency, so they came up with a new map of the US with idealized borders, taking into account local cultures and locations of metro areas. One of the prime factors in how they drew the new state borders was to make sure that no metro area spanned two states, and instead the borders were drawn, whenever possible, in rural areas between cities. This guy&#x27;s idea flies entirely in the face of this.<p>The governments in Oregon and Washington already complain a lot about people living in Vancouver (WA), where there&#x27;s no income tax, and then doing all their shopping in Portland, where there&#x27;s no sales tax. Doing this over a national border, between two countries as economically disparate as the USA and Mexico, is a recipe for disaster.<p>Plus, as dogma1138 says, we <i>already have</i> places much like this on the border. El Paso&#x2F;Cuidad Juarez is a prime example. It isn&#x27;t a panacea, and last I heard, Juarez had a huge problem with brutal gang violence.
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gjolundover 8 years ago
Aka San Diego.
pacofvfover 8 years ago
When did HN become &#x2F;r&#x2F;worldnews ?<p>&gt; Dirt poor countries with a quarter the resources are beating them badly, Korea, Malaysia, Chile.<p>&gt; where the Mexican side provides cheap day labor and a &quot;safer&quot; platform for criminal activity due to the financial disparity.<p>&gt; Mexico now effectively a narco state ruled by the cartels<p>&gt; The solution we&#x27;ve pursued thus far does indeed make Mexico richer, but it also makes parts of the US poorer.<p>&gt; Well, as we can see from southern Tucson, that city has become progressively worse as more non citizens have taken it over.
awesomerobotover 8 years ago
What if the wall was housing for the poor