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Twitter beats estimates, cuts jobs with eye on 2017 profitability

222 pointsby ghoshover 8 years ago

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wpietriover 8 years ago
Let me do a mini-askHN: I&#x27;m thinking of joining Twitter to work on their anti-abuse efforts. What factors should I consider in my decision?<p>At first consideration, this news doesn&#x27;t worry me a ton. They provide a product that provides a lot of user value, just to a smaller user base than they&#x2F;investors hoped. They&#x27;ve found a reasonable way to monetize it, with $2b+&#x2F;year in revenue. Their expenses are too high for that, but not egregiously so, with previously committed stock compensation being a big chunk of things. There&#x27;s still a lot they can do with the product. And they&#x27;ve got a unique value that&#x27;s hard for other people to replicate: it&#x27;s the place for public figures (public figures at all scales) to interact.<p>Am I crazy here? I know I&#x27;m taking a risk, but I&#x27;m not seeing more risk than, say, joining a Series A startup, which I&#x27;ve happily done before.
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fowlerpowerover 8 years ago
What I love is this:<p>&quot;The move could hurt the companies image in San Francisco where the competition for engineers is fierce.&quot;<p>I live in New York and I would never work there. Why would anyone want to join a sinking ship? It&#x27;s image is gone all in the name of the mighty stock price.
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JumpCrisscrossover 8 years ago
<i>Reuters</i> leading with &quot;Twitter beats revenue estimates...&quot; while the <i>Wall Street Journal</i> chose &quot;Twitter to Cut 9% of Workforce as Revenue Growth Slows&quot; [1]. This is usually a sign of a political fragmentation, <i>e.g.</i> within management, within the Board, between the former or within the shareholder base.<p>(<i>Reuters&#x27;</i> correspondent is based in Bangalore; the <i>Journal</i>&#x27;s in the Bay Area [2]. Neither contains any direct quotes. <i>Journal</i> cites multiple Wall Street analyst reports.)<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;twitter-to-cut-workforce-as-revenue-growth-slows-1477566772" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;twitter-to-cut-workforce-as-reve...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;in&#x2F;dseetharaman" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.linkedin.com&#x2F;in&#x2F;dseetharaman</a>
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sulamover 8 years ago
My belief, sadly held, is that this is just the 2nd step of a Yahoo-scale transition. It won&#x27;t be the user numbers that get them, it will be the ads side. Twitter is going to get a shrinking piece of the ad budget, especially as new entrants arrive. Which new entrants you ask? Snapchat, for one. Pinterest is heating up as well.
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NightMKoderover 8 years ago
Also Vine is getting shut down: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@vine&#x2F;important-news-about-vine-909c5f4ae7a7" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@vine&#x2F;important-news-about-vine-909c5f4ae...</a>
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koolbaover 8 years ago
&gt; Twitter Inc&#x27;s quarterly revenue growth slowed sharply in the third quarter but topped analysts&#x27; expectations, and the company said it would cut 9 percent of its global workforce.<p>&gt; Revenue rose about 8 percent to $616 million, above the average analyst estimate of $605.8 million. The company reported a 20 percent rise in revenue in the previous quarter and 58 percent last year.<p>&gt; Twitter had 3,860 employees globally as of June. The layoff could hurt the company&#x27;s image in San Francisco, where the competition for engineering talent is fierce.<p>Total revenue of $616M and 3,860 employees (pre-layoff) means they&#x27;ve got $159K of <i>revenue</i> per employee. If the majority of their work force is engineers that&#x27;s pretty weak. After adding in health insurance, 401k, real estate (for office locations), and all the rest of the usual expenditures, it&#x27;s no wonder they can&#x27;t turn a profit.<p>&gt; &quot;We&#x27;re getting more disciplined about how we invest in the business, and we set a company goal of driving toward GAAP profitability in 2017,&quot; said Chief Financial Officer Anthony Noto.<p>They&#x27;re going to need go <i>significantly</i> deeper than 9% to get to profitability.<p>EDIT: <i>Per the replies the revenue numbers quoted are per-quarter, not annual. Still begs the question of how they hell they&#x27;re not profitable making $636K per employee.</i>
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intrasightover 8 years ago
One of my concerns with Twitter is that I think their usage is going to drop considerably after the election is over. I say this only because half of Twitter mentions in the press related to Trump tweets.
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triplebitover 8 years ago
What&#x27;s with all the anti-Twitter bias among techies lately?
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perseusprime11over 8 years ago
They spend about 2.5 billion dollars to make 2 billion dollars. Not a great business model. If they can do more cuts and bring the expenses way down and seriously turn around the product, they will have a good future. I almost feel, they need somebody like Eric Schmidt to manage the company while Jack learns and focuses on the product.
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danieltillettover 8 years ago
A question for those with far more management experience than me at large companies - why cut 9%? Is it really twitter&#x27;s management view that they are only slightly over staffed? Do they think that their employees are going to believe this is the last cut?<p>9% seems like a large enough number to destroy moral, but too small to make any material differences to the cost base.
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dilemmaover 8 years ago
What&#x27;s the phrase, cut deep and fast? Twitter should probably cut more like 25-50%.
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