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A.I. accurately predicted the full baseball post-season back in July

85 pointsby Cortexiaover 8 years ago

20 comments

sixhobbitsover 8 years ago
This reminds me of one of the chapters from &quot;How Not to Be Wrong: The Power of Mathematical Thinking&quot; by Jordan Ellenberg (highly recommended). He describes how &quot;stock brokers&quot; would send out a &quot;free stock prediction&quot; to thousands of email addresses. The prediction would be a simple up&#x2F;down prediction for a specific stock. The prediction was randomly chosen. But these &quot;brokers&quot; would send an equal number of up and down predictions, ensuring that they got a correct prediction for half of their recipients. They would then throw away half of the emails (the wrong half), and repeat with the remaining half. After ten predictions, there would still be a small number of people remaining for whom they&#x27;d sent only correct predictions to (10 in a row, which seems really impressive if you can&#x27;t see the full picture). They would then contact these few people and offer to keep selling them predictions for a fee.<p>Stories like this (And Paul the Octopus, who I see was mentioned already) are exactly the same thing. Thousands of people are trying to using deep learning (i.e. stats), or other crazy methods as in this article, to make predictions. Of course every now and then one of them is going to work better than expected. This would be the case even if people were simply using random numbers. But we ignore all the ones that fail and give heaps of attention to the Pauls.
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no_protocolover 8 years ago
Nothing about this seems to add up.<p>They claim they made the prediction in early July, but link to a newspaper article dated 4 August that indicates the predictions were made just one day earlier.<p>They picked the team with the best record all season long to win the championship. They got one of the division winners wrong.<p>Just publishing the current favorites from MLB.com&#x27;s probability page [0] as of 3 August would have also gotten 9 of 10 postseason teams correct, including going 6&#x2F;6 on division winners. So the &#x27;knowledge&#x27; of fans voting actually did worse than a monte carlo simulation.<p>I&#x27;m not impressed.<p>There&#x27;s no way this should be considered predicting the &quot;full baseball post-season,&quot; and I am not seeing any evidence that it happened in July. Wish they&#x27;d have shared it.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mlb.com&#x2F;mlb&#x2F;standings&#x2F;probability.jsp?ymd=20161002" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;mlb.com&#x2F;mlb&#x2F;standings&#x2F;probability.jsp?ymd=20161002</a>
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llamatabootover 8 years ago
UNU seems to get their press releases on here a lot. As far as I can see there&#x27;s not much &quot;AI&quot; involved, just a UI over the &quot;wisdom of crowds&quot; method of making predictions. In this case, the Cubs were heavily favored all season to win the World Series, had arguably one of the best GMs and managers in baseball, and a raft of all-star players. Goat aside, it was fairly smart money to lean towards them from mid-season on.<p>Same thing with their Kentucky Derby prediction this year. The swarm literally decided the horses in the exact odds they were going off at (which makes sense since gambling odds by their very nature are &quot;the wisdom of the crowd&quot;) and that&#x27;s how they finished.
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Tangokatover 8 years ago
Not to be overly critical but:<p>It does not match my definition of A.I:<p>&quot;UNU enables groups of online users to think together as a unified emergent intelligence -- a &quot;brain of brains&quot; that can express itself as a singular entity. Touted to as the world&#x27;s first &quot;hive mind,&quot; the UNU platform has had over 60,000 human participants in swarming sessions this year, together answering over 250,000 questions.&quot;<p>Also I would reasonably expect some of those 250.000 questions to beat the odds and get answered right.
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mehwootover 8 years ago
1) The AI was just sythesizing answers given by human readers. It didn&#x27;t do any of its own analysis of the data set.<p>2) The experiment was published in August, when the regular season was <i>already two thirds completed</i>. The cubs were well ahead of everybody at that point and were favourites to win (although in baseball that doesn&#x27;t necessarily mean you are going to win in the postseason). Here are the standings at that Date: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.baseball-reference.com&#x2F;games&#x2F;standings.cgi?year=2016&amp;month=8&amp;day=4&amp;submit=Submit+Date" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.baseball-reference.com&#x2F;games&#x2F;standings.cgi?year=2...</a><p>You can see that the 10 playoff teams were ranked 1-5 in each league at that point. So predicting the playoff teams was just &quot;Which 10 teams are leading right now&quot;, which they asked humans about.<p>The AI didn&#x27;t predict the full post-season, just which two teams would be in the World Series, which happened to be the team everybody thought it would be from one league and the second placed team from the other.
bluetwoover 8 years ago
This reminds me very much of delta polling, where you survey experts in a field with a complex and unsolvable question, tally the results, send that information back to the experts, and then ask them again. After a few rounds this tends to arrive at what is usually a pretty solid answer.<p>It is used sometimes in scientific and medical research. An automated tool is pretty neat, but like others said, it doesn&#x27;t really classify as AI. I&#x27;m not sure how much money I would really put down on the bets the site makes, but it is similar in some ways to the scandal that rocked Draft Kings&#x2F;Fan Duel, where admins were using high-level data to make bets on opposing systems. They did in fact make money.
macawfishover 8 years ago
It irritates me that this is called &quot;A.I&quot;.
losteverythingover 8 years ago
Anyone remember Tamara Rand. [0]<p>Well, one of the greatest Tamara Rand jokes was from CNN sports tonight: &quot;The Cubs are predicted to win the World Series. Only thing is it was predicted by Tamara Rand.&quot;<p>Quite cool at a time when tv commentary was never light hearted.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hoaxes.org&#x2F;archive&#x2F;permalink&#x2F;tamara_rand" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;hoaxes.org&#x2F;archive&#x2F;permalink&#x2F;tamara_rand</a>
zitterbewegungover 8 years ago
What UNU does is more like &quot;An live online poll of a group of people picked the post-season in July&quot;.
andrewclunnover 8 years ago
How many AIs screwed it up? Remember the hits, forget the misses.
gnicholasover 8 years ago
I&#x27;d be curious to know what else they predicted that turned out to be wrong. This could be an impressive run, or it could be that the company&#x27;s press release highlights several victories and omits several (or more) failures.<p>I have no evidence one way or the other but would be interested to see more context.
Xerodayover 8 years ago
Has Unu made any incorrect predictions? Their blog only seems to cover the big, successful ones.
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lawnchair_larryover 8 years ago
Survivorship bias.<p>Also why the stated historical performance for your 401k funds are probably tricking you.
orasisover 8 years ago
Oh cool. How many AIs did they have doing the predictions? Survivorship bias.
pgodzinover 8 years ago
The article mentions &quot;swarm intelligence&quot; that essentially forms a hive-mind. Where is the AI&#x2F;ML when it seems like it just picks the most popular responses from its many respondents?
Cortexiaover 8 years ago
Here is the latest UNU election pick: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;unu.ai&#x2F;election-fatigue&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;unu.ai&#x2F;election-fatigue&#x2F;</a>
davesqueover 8 years ago
What are the chances? Probably not that slim considering how many people are trying to make predictions using methods like this.
FonzieBearover 8 years ago
What a game. What a series.
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joshagogoover 8 years ago
Found this forward-looking post on which states will pass marijuana legalization ballot issues. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;unu.ai&#x2F;legalization&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;unu.ai&#x2F;legalization&#x2F;</a>
joshagogoover 8 years ago
Who does the A.I. say will win the election next week?
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