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What Pro Computing Could Be

81 pointsby bouncingsoulover 8 years ago

16 comments

jwrover 8 years ago
&gt; Pros don’t quit because their tools are suboptimal. That’s practically the definition of “professional” – a pro gets the damn thing done. A pro user might gripe about the new MacBook Pro, but the next time she needs a new machine, she’s going to buy one anyway because that’s the path of least resistance and she needs to get back to work.<p>This sums up perfectly my thoughts about Apple hardware right now. I am annoyed by the fact that I won&#x27;t be able to connect any of my devices to the new MacBook Pro, but I&#x27;ll buy one anyway, because I need to get things done to earn money.<p>I also agree that the pro market is ripe for disruption (again). Interestingly enough, Apple began its rise to stardom from the pro segment, which it is now abandoning. Foolishly, I think, because it&#x27;s a relatively easy disruption path for the next company.
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buzzybeeover 8 years ago
Yes, I definitely feel this is in the air. There&#x27;s groundwork and momentum to iterate on large chunks of the computing stack, simplify and open up more of it again, and it could be driven in part by the needs of &quot;pros&quot; who are frustrated with the current environment, as well as new markets like IoT. Just think of these three projects and what they add up to:<p>* RISC-V<p>* Rust<p>* WebAssembly<p>The first, RISC-V, breaks with existing architectures. The spec is open, and public feedback is largely positive. Money has been committed to real implementations on silicon. There is common tooling already, and it&#x27;s expected to grow more robust.<p>Rust sits in the middle, iterating on systems-level concerns with a much higher standard of compiler tech. Everyone praises its community and the responsiveness of the devs. It isn&#x27;t the only player in the field for overturning C and C++, but it has a lot of the momentum.<p>And, of course, WebAssembly doesn&#x27;t fix the Web, but it does return us to the idea of what Java was supposed to be, 20 years ago - a common layer for sandboxed application code. Of the three this one is probably the least established, but is also getting an amount of care and cooperation that is quite above average for Web technologies, and shows early signs of reaching adoption outside of the browser context. With such a powerful client runtime, both the existing Web and desktop paradigms become open to disruption, as is already in nascent form with the current wave of &quot;desktop framework, browser engine inside&quot; apps.<p>When you put together all three, you have a much more robust stack, something that you can really imagine the future of computing on. It has missing parts, but that might be where you and I come in.
dfabulichover 8 years ago
&gt; We wrote the beginnings of an operating system<p>I want better hardware, but as a pro software developer, I can&#x27;t really adopt a fundamentally different operating system, even if it is &quot;better.&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t care how nice your hand-crafted kernel is; if I can&#x27;t run a JVM, Node.js, and the Android toolchain on it, I can&#x27;t do my professional work on it.
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marmadukeover 8 years ago
Pro computing could also mean moving to a more open hardware platform; consider Talos workstation with a Power8 CPU instead of x86<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crowdsupply.com&#x2F;raptor-computing-systems&#x2F;talos-secure-workstation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.crowdsupply.com&#x2F;raptor-computing-systems&#x2F;talos-s...</a><p>I&#x27;ve had a chance to test some Power8 systems, and they perform very well. Given the choice, I&#x27;d take one over a Xeon system, for intensive professional work.
pavelludiqover 8 years ago
My list of essentials for a pro computer at this point would be:<p>* Robustness<p>* Upgradeability<p>* longevity<p>* reasonable performance<p>Having the latest and greatest isn&#x27;t essential, since I&#x27;ve had my current pair of thinkpad and custom build desktop for a few years now and after a some upgrades(new SSDs, maybe a new GPU and extra RAM for the desktop, etc.) I expect to use them for a few more, maybe even until 2020, if nothing blows out. They perform reasonably well for my needs and are very versatile machines. Right now I can replace the HDD, upgrade the M2 SSD, put a new screen on my laptop and replace the battery myself. That is worth a lot to me and I&#x27;m willing to pay more for a machine that isn&#x27;t a sealed monolith, that is the biggest anti-feature for me. I grew up back when you could just open up your PC case and swap components out and I&#x27;m absolutely unwilling to give that up. I don&#x27;t really want to buy a new laptop every two years, if I do now it will be because I want one, not because I need one.
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vomitcuddleover 8 years ago
The &quot;pros&quot; aren&#x27;t simply pissed off at the latest MBP. We&#x27;re pissed off at the continuing trend over the last 5 years of Apple products becoming more difficult or nearly impossible to disassemble, upgrade and repair. We&#x27;re tired of form over function. Sales targets over user experience.
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captainmuonover 8 years ago
So, what would a pro laptop look like in my opinion? Not too different from todays top laptops, but a few things would be improved:<p>- Easier to repair &#x2F; upgrade. Dont glue or solder in parts if it is not absolutely neccessary. If the device gets a few mm thicker, its not the end of the world.<p>- Specifically, make the battery switchable. There is a battery capacity limit for flights in the US, and I&#x27;ve heard this is one reason the new MacBook Pro has the specs it has. A switchable battery would be a way around it.<p>- Be completely honest about your incentives, and then side with the customer. Say: &quot;We would like to glue down everything, so you can&#x27;t repair it and have to buy a new one when the battery fails - but we won&#x27;t.&quot; This is a business disadvantage in the short term, but you gain trust and can charge more to customers who know what&#x27;s important.<p>- Give it a matte, high-dpi touchscreen. Note, I don&#x27;t mean mattED, where you stick a matting foil on top of a regular glass screen. I mean native matte, like good business desktop LCD screens.<p>- Here is an important, overlooked point: Make it &quot;just work&quot;. In the sense of &quot;software eats the world&quot;, you can do a lot by getting the software right. Have a dedicated team make sure that all popular OSes (Linuxes, Windows) work properly.<p>- A good keyboard is really important. Let the keys have enough travel, make sure that they have standard sizes, that cursor and home&#x2F;end keys are easily reachable.<p>- Give customers the ports they need, or at least make the dongles cheap. Offer a docking station, or recommend one.<p>(- And if you want to create a Myth, source your components (graphics, WiFi card, touchpad) cleverly, and people will be able to make Hackintoshes out of your machines. Just be careful never to advertise this, or to give instructions :-D.)<p>I believe a smaller vendor could pull this off nowadays. Even if you don&#x27;t have the economies of scale, you are selling to a pro segement who is willing to pay more for a &quot;no-comprimizes&quot; device.<p>(Edit: cleaned up)
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gulpahumover 8 years ago
Interesting that he mentions Bret Victor. He was actually one of the designers of the much criticised touch bar [1][2]. He is also working on some other changes for Apple.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;worrydream&#x2F;status&#x2F;791767756928462848" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;worrydream&#x2F;status&#x2F;791767756928462848</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;worrydream&#x2F;status&#x2F;793501918790242304" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;worrydream&#x2F;status&#x2F;793501918790242304</a>
matt4077over 8 years ago
&quot;In conversation over two years ago, we converged on an assumption: Apple and Microsoft will taper off their investments in pro hardware and software&quot;<p>If it took you two years to get that far, you may want to find some less stressful topics to ponder. Also, please enlighten me: what exactly is Microsoft&#x27;s previous investment in &quot;pro hardware&quot;? And what &quot;pro software&quot; has Microsoft been investing in in the past that targets &quot;video editors, 3D modelers, audio engineers, data scientists&quot;?<p>WTF? This article is almost literally &quot;The MacBook sucks, my friend agrees and we&#x27;ve been throwing around buzzwords and then we stopped&quot;<p>Seriously: there&#x27;s no coherent thought in this &quot;article&quot;. I don&#x27;t even know what these so-called &quot;professionals&quot; are missing in the author&#x27;s view.<p>&quot; fast machines with plenty of memory and myriad ways of moving data in, out, and around them.&quot; – Well, yeah, fast is great. But it&#x27;s not Apple&#x27;s fault that CPU speeds are stagnating. It&#x27;s simply approaching physical limits, as well as CPUs having reached a level of performance where people prefer to invest resources into power efficiency.<p>AS one of those so-called &quot;data scientists&quot; I&#x27;ll also let you in on a trade secret: the stuff I do on a notebook could comfortably run on a phone. It&#x27;s a text editor, a browser, and ssh. That&#x27;s because we don&#x27;t do number crunching on a notebook. It&#x27;s a cluster, or sometimes a workstation with a couple of GPUs.<p>Everybody also seems to miss that we&#x27;ve seen an actual leap in notebook performance: SSDs had a huge impact because HDDs were (by far) the limiting factor for almost all workloads.<p>Regarding the &quot;myriad ways to move data around&quot; – no thanks. Now I&#x27;d consider it quite failure to ever have actual data on a notebook. But I&#x27;d guess even if you&#x27;re working on local data, USB 3.1 and thunderbolt are probably what you&#x27;d want to use?<p>&quot;Pros don’t quit because their tools are suboptimal.&quot;<p>Yeah, they do. Give someone a shovel and ask them to dig a tunnel.<p>&quot;That’s practically the definition of “professional” – a pro gets the damn thing done.&quot;<p>No, the definition of a professional is &quot;getting paid&quot;, which, by the way, separates them from your little thought experiment. Alternatively, &quot;professional&quot; is slang for a prostitute, which actually does fit your definition of &quot;getting the damn thing done&quot;, so maybe I&#x27;ve been reading this wrong.<p>&quot;That cycle of dependence, along with the need for stability and predictability in one’s tools, makes product incrementalism the norm in pro computing.&quot;<p>I still don&#x27;t know what &quot;pro computing&quot; is, but surely &quot;pros&quot; are today using the same operating systems as &quot;non-pro&quot; are? So the non-professional computing is also moving incrementally, right? Then I don&#x27;t get why you&#x27;re trying to derive some sort of causality (&quot;need for stability...&quot;) that&#x27;s specific for one of the two segments when they move in parallel.<p>&quot;It should be no surprise as to why nobody has attempted the sort of ground-up overhauling of pro computing that we mapped out: it’s expensive, slow, and risky to do something big, new, and different.&quot;<p>Or maybe it&#x27;s just stupid. Because our tools are pretty good (being the product of actual professionals &quot;getting the job done&quot;) and there&#x27;s no reason to throw them out for unnamed pie-in-the-sky fantasies.
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imtringuedover 8 years ago
The next innovation is going to be non volatile RAM. Right now we can get away with putting a flash chip on a DIMM and using super capacitors to write out changes during power loss but it&#x27;s a ugly and expensive solution. Maybe NVDIMMs with 3D XPoint will change this but it&#x27;s far off and it will take a while until it reaches the consumer market.
donatjover 8 years ago
Now is the time for a Plan 9 based upstart!
mark_l_watsonover 8 years ago
Everyone has different needs. My 95 year old father is really into videography and 3D animation so he uses a max-out Mac Pro desktop. For me, I sometimes need large memory and a lot of cores, so I keep a beefy VPS handy. The actual computer I use is less important.
hulahoofover 8 years ago
I do most of my work on a cheap, light Toshiba because the battery last me all day and carrying my metabox everywhere was hurting my back.
montj2over 8 years ago
I feel this and believe it to be spot on. Looking to be an early defector, a thorough survey of the hardware landscape has left me in awe of the amazing hardware companies are willing to cram into such a cut-rate shit of a package. On the software front, macOS is such a &#x27;get shit done&#x27; OS, but I believe that may be solely due to the having the lions share of the development community&#x27;s mind-share. It is for that reason I&#x27;ve decided to fund a multitude of &#x27;hopefuls&#x27; and fully immerse myself into a foreign OS platform. If it&#x27;s going to get better we must all embrace the suck as it is today and begin to develop the future.
dognotdogover 8 years ago
&gt; What’s more, we lack the innovative institutions that previously provided cover for the future to take shape: PARC, Bell Labs, et. al.<p>We may not have as large corporate sponsored basic research, but we do have the Internet. We should be able to leverage that advantage to some effect :)
kluckover 8 years ago
Here is an easy alternative to a MacBook Pro (easy for a professional anyway): Buy a standard Laptop with matte display. Install Arch Linux (learn one thing or another on the way). Use Gnome 3 (maybe install some software from Pantheon as well, like the file manager pantheon-files). Get work done.
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