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Donald Trump is the president-elect of the U.S.

1817 pointsby introvertmacover 8 years ago

182 comments

thewarriorover 8 years ago
It is possible to view this as an isolated event or a trend. Coming on the heels of BREXIT this is a trend.<p>The attempts at building an interconnected globalised world are beginning to fail. A bunch of elites decided to create their own trans-national utopia unchecked by borders and dismissed all criticism as racist or bigoted. The globalisation project has been rejected by a majority of the population. Whether it is for economic reasons or just plain bigotry is something for the sociologists to study and not something I can pontificate on.<p>Also people seem to care a LOT about immigration and preserving their culture. Instead of patronising these people it&#x27;s time we tried to understand their concerns and try to assuage them.<p>There is no genuine leftist alternative. It&#x27;s a choice between center-right &quot;left&quot; that&#x27;s sold out to the establishment and the far right.Economists need to stop acting like priests in the medieval ages who justified the existing order . The rural voter who lost his job doesn&#x27;t care about the theory of comparitive advantage.<p>If this trend holds this will soon take hold in France and other European nations. This is a return to the world of the 1920s. Not gloom and doom but a much more unstable global order with every country for itself. Not what we need when we face planet scale threats like global warming. Get out of your bubble.<p>Hang out more on subreddits you don&#x27;t agree with.<p>The divide is bridged one person at a time.<p>PS - Reposted my comment from another thread as it got flagged. Hope its OK with the mods.<p>EDIT: His concession speech seems to indicate that he&#x27;s beginning to appreciate what he&#x27;s been entrusted with.
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acjohnson55over 8 years ago
This is utter madness. If we&#x27;re lucky, this wheels fall off this whole enterprise and these people are discredited before they do too much harm.<p>It&#x27;s deeply frustrating to hear so much crap analysis of what&#x27;s been going on. If we&#x27;re really honest with ourselves about what&#x27;s happening, we&#x27;re seeing a massive vote for protectionism of a particular demographics that have long enjoyed it.<p>People talk a lot about the forgotten white working class voter. And while that&#x27;s a real thing, that&#x27;s only half the story. The Trump voters are on the whole wealthier than the Clinton voters. That means there are a whole bunch of people with real money who&#x27;ve decided they can stomach the open bigotry of Trump&#x27;s campaign because they think ultimately his policies are what they want. That&#x27;s why the incumbents of the GOP largely never fled his side, no matter how obscene his personal conduct.<p>To be really blunt, Trump&#x27;s entire track record says &quot;if you&#x27;re white and wealthy, I&#x27;ve obviously got your back&quot;, and his words have said, &quot;if you&#x27;re white and struggling, it&#x27;s brown people who stand in your way&quot;. In that way, he&#x27;s managed to get an extremely energetic white vote.<p>This election will be forever remembered for just how lurid it has been. From the very beginning of the Republican primary, it&#x27;s been Trump who continually lowered the bar. God help us all if we do in fact end up with literally the least qualified Commander in Chief of American history. Going to sleep now, deeply discouraged.
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nostromoover 8 years ago
Such a watershed moment. A few things strike me:<p>* A Republican just won without being very religious and being wishy-washy on abortion.<p>* The loser out-spent the winner by huge amounts. Does money really buy elections? Maybe, but not this one.<p>* The rich abandoned Republicans, but many poor and working-class abandoned Democrats. [1]<p>1: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;interactive&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;08&#x2F;us&#x2F;elections&#x2F;exit-poll-analysis.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;interactive&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;08&#x2F;us&#x2F;elections&#x2F;e...</a>
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harry8over 8 years ago
Obama rode to power on change ticket and immediately abandoned it, wholesale.<p>OK that didn&#x27;t work so who else you got? Bernie, outsider with nothing, no money, no establishment friends, too old, been a democtat for 5 minutes and nearly got the democratic nomination and the dem establishment hate him and broke the rules fighting him. Donald has fame and got the republican nomination. Republican establishment hate him.<p>American voters want change. Change at any cost right now. And they&#x27;ll keep trying for it.<p>There has been no meaningful political reform. Regulatory capture and gerrymander are the norm. People hate it. They genuinely hate the status quo, the political establishment. Really hate it.<p>Whoever is judged the most likely to do something, anything, in the way of reform has a huge advantage. You can be inexperienced and African American, you can be a blow-hard who inherited a billion dollars. Doesn&#x27;t matter if people actually believe you are more for change and reform than the opposition.<p>It&#x27;s not the only important thing but having credibility as an agent for change is extremely valuable. Hilary had precisely no credibility on that count and was proud of it .
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smackayover 8 years ago
Jeez, everybody is all bent out of shape on this. The Republican establishment hate Trump nearly as much as they hate Clinton so with Republicans controlling The House and The Senate how much &quot;damage&quot; is President Trump going to be able to do.<p>The really interesting part of all this was reading Scott Adams blog who proposed the idea that Trump is a master persuader (probably this is just a fancy name for populist). He has been blogging about persuasion techniques and about cognitive biases and how humans are irrational creatures 90% of the time and are open to persuasion techniques.<p>This seems to offend everybodies sensibilities but for me it&#x27;s been fascinating and a real eye-opener. The reaction (bias?) in the media has been particularly interesting and has forever changed my world view.<p>If you have the time it&#x27;s probably worth reading the posts for the past year or so, <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.dilbert.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.dilbert.com&#x2F;</a> It won&#x27;t be so interesting now that we know the result but the ideas and methods of persuasion he talks about will shape the future for a long time to come.<p>The cognitive dissonance being shown by the media is particularly funny. It&#x27;s amazing that they really don&#x27;t understand that a large percentage of the population voted for Trump because he probably represents for them a reasonable hope for change. I&#x27;m waiting for somebody to suggest that nobody actually voted for him and instead he rigged the election all by himself.
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nopinsightover 8 years ago
Brexit and the Trump election share the same root causes:<p>* Inequality within developed countries, leading to dissatisfaction among working-class voters.<p>* Globalization benefits accrue largely to capital owners, leaving a lot of workers behind. Many blame immigration since it is the most visible cause. The blame is partly backed by human&#x27;s xenophobic instincts.<p>Ironically, Trump&#x27;s tax plan will mostly benefit the rich. Instead, we need a much better system to mitigate hardships from job losses to globalization and technological change. The 2017 Congress will be very unlikely to enact such policies.<p>I wonder how this tension will play out in the future...Thoughts?
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bdroolover 8 years ago
This event and Brexit are proof that you cannot shame people into voting how you want. Calling them bigots over and over just galvanizes them if anything.
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ctvoover 8 years ago
Grew up in the US. I&#x27;m a minority. I think this is the only time in my life I&#x27;ve ever felt like I didn&#x27;t belong in America.<p>Tonight a large portion of the country confirmed that the US is for whites. That it&#x27;s not a melting pot. This demographic has been angry for a generation because they&#x27;ve felt like their culture, their socio-economic status and way of life is slipping away and this election (after 8 years of a black president), the line in the sand would be drawn. The numbers don&#x27;t show any division in voting based on class, but an entire chunk of whites (women, men, making under or over 100k+ a year, college education or not), all voting for Donald Trump.<p>I don&#x27;t know what the future looks like now for America.
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jrockwayover 8 years ago
Who knew that not paying any taxes, asking your &quot;second amendment people&quot; to finish off your opponent, and using your position of power and authority to sexually assault people could lead to becoming the most powerful person in the free world.<p>We live in the darkest of times.
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dangover 8 years ago
It pains me to see HN serving pages so slowly, so I&#x27;m going to try an experiment and bury the current thread for a minute or two. Don&#x27;t worry, we&#x27;ll restore it or an equivalent; momentous stories like this one (or Brexit) are exceptions to the general rule against politics here. I just want to see if not having to render 2000 comments so often will let us catch a breath.<p>Edit: ok, that definitely helped. I think the easiest solution might be to post a different story, let that one make the front page, and link to this thread from there. The WaPo article is a bit old at this point anyhow.<p>If you&#x27;d like to be a good citizen—and what would be a better time for that?—then please log out to read HN today, unless you want to comment. Then we can serve you from cache and HN&#x27;s single-core Racket process will creak slightly less under the strain.
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sho_hnover 8 years ago
So as a European ... Clinton didn&#x27;t spend enough time in the Upper Midwest expecting to carry those states, but Trump had an actual message for them (NAFTA, etc.) while Hillary didn&#x27;t, and they don&#x27;t care that he is racist and sexist, they want their jobs back, so the election was called by a 40+ white demo in an economically depressed region just like old Middle England called Brexit. About right?
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l33tbroover 8 years ago
Call Trump what you will, but he played the media like Hendrix. They took the troll-bait and reported every outrageous soundbite gleefully, all in pursuit of a few clicks and ad-bucks. Meanwhile, Trump gained more and more of a platform and eventually established a cult of personality.
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PeterStuerover 8 years ago
I personally believe Clinton was almost uniquely qualified as the only democrat that could lose this election from Trump. The political establishment underestimates the underlying resentment. &quot;The winners know that they’re winning but have been very slow to realize that the losers know that they’re losing and are enraged about the fact.&quot; The linked article, put in hash words but look beyond that, was written after the Brexit poll, but it is as relevant here: &quot;Corrupt elites always try to persuade people to continue to submit to their dominance in exchange for protection from forces that are even worse. That’s their game. But at some point, they themselves, and their prevailing order, become so destructive, so deceitful, so toxic, that their victims are willing to gamble that the alternatives will not be worse, or at least, they decide to embrace the satisfaction of spitting in the faces of those who have displayed nothing but contempt and condescension for them.<p>&quot;There is no single, unifying explanation for Brexit, Trumpism, or the growing extremism of various stripes throughout the West, but this sense of angry impotence — an inability to see any option other than smashing those responsible for their plight — is undoubtedly a major factor. As Bevins put it, supporters of Trump, Brexit, and other anti-establishment movements “are motivated not so much by whether they think the projects will actually work, but more by their desire to say FUCK YOU” to those they believe (with very good reason) have failed them&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theintercept.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;25&#x2F;brexit-is-only-the-latest-proof-of-the-insularity-and-failure-of-western-establishment-institutions&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theintercept.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;25&#x2F;brexit-is-only-the-lates...</a>
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rdtscover 8 years ago
Also this wasn&#x27;t as much a vote _for_ Trump it was a vote _against_ Hillary.<p>The Democrats had this election in their pocket, if it only wasn&#x27;t for their corruption. They should have really stopped and paid attention to what happened with Bernie Sanders. That wasn&#x27;t just something to shrug off, it should have been a stopping moment. I believe Bernie would have had no problem winning against Trump.<p>Also I really liked the media in this campaign, I watched it for entertainment. Some channels thought they were helping by pretty much becoming an off-shoot for DNC and Hillary&#x27;s campaign. But it blew up in their face, because people saw through that, so it had the opposite effect.
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crypticaover 8 years ago
I&#x27;m surprised by how many of my non-US friends are calling Americans &#x27;Stupid&#x27; right now on social media for voting for Trump.<p>I think that the Trump victory actually shows the opposite; that Americans are smart enough to think for themselves regardless of what the media tells them.<p>They got to the meat of the information without buying into all the spin that the media put around it.<p>I strongly disagree with several things that Trump stands for but I think that overall this is a really good outcome. It shows that the people are still in control - Not the media, not the celebrities, not the elites.<p>That is reassuring.
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pastaover 8 years ago
To me this shows how hard it is to come up with good solutions for problems.<p>I think both Trump and Clinton know what the problems in the US are. The difference is: Trump is naming all problems but doesn&#x27;t provide real solutions, Clinton is only naming problems she has a solution for.<p>That&#x27;s why the working class votes for Trump because he is the only one who is talking about their problems.<p>The same is happening here in The Netherlands. Politics doesn&#x27;t likes to talk about problems with immigration. Wilders does. That&#x27;s why he is very popular. But just like Trump his solutions are unrealistic.<p>This is also why I don&#x27;t think a lot is going to change in the US. The unrealistic solutions are what they are: unrealistic. So the Mexican wall is never going to be build.<p>The only sad outcome is that this populistic talk is dividing the nation.
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noir-yorkover 8 years ago
It is fitting I suppose that on the anniversary of the 18 Brumaire, Napolean&#x27;s coup d&#x27;etat, we should get a Trump presidency.<p>And it doesn&#x27;t end there, you need to look at the entire ticket; it is a clean sweep by the GOP who also have control of the Senate and the House. The GOP will be able to pass any legislation unimpeded, such as repealing Obamacare.<p>More consequentially, Trump gets to fill the Supreme Court vacancy. The effects of that will last for a generation, way beyond his presidency.<p>Elections have consequences, and this election has significantly shifted the political landscape.
redialover 8 years ago
Peter Thiel is not looking so foolish right now...
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esjaover 8 years ago
I didn&#x27;t want this to happen, but I believed it would. There were a lot of signals, for those ignoring the group-think. e.g. Clinton needed a lot more help than Trump to get big crowds to her rallies, and Obama had to get involved at the last minute in allegedly &quot;safe&quot; states.<p>There is deep frustration with our economic system, which isn&#x27;t being addressed. Clinton is unfortunately a very clear embodiment of the current system.<p>Trump is far from a perfect vessel for his messages, but he only needed to be better than Clinton, and he hit the key notes (e.g. regarding trade and jobs) over and over.<p>Sanders would have won.
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Houshalterover 8 years ago
I hate democracy. Most voters aren&#x27;t informed at all. Attractive candidates win 2.5 times more often than less attractive ones. Money and crappy 30 second ads apparently influence the outcome. First past the post voting means no one can even vote for what they really want to begin with.<p>It wouldn&#x27;t be so bad if the president didn&#x27;t have enormous power. And they aren&#x27;t supposed to. But it&#x27;s been growing so much over the years. Maybe now people will understand why its so important to limit it.
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throw2016over 8 years ago
I honestly thought the Trump presidency attempt was a big internal joke. I didn&#x27;t think Trump himself believed he would become president ever.<p>This guy is clearly a sociopath lacking in empathy typical of the american elite and his behavior has just been rewarded. It&#x27;s really troubling what this means for Americans who are not rich or white. It also troubling we celebrate wealth to an extent we do not view having an elite class of extremely selfish and self serving individuals as a problem which has directly got us to the Trump presidency.<p>Hilary Clinton was completely untrustworthy and tedious so the alternative was a bad choice. The democrats have themselves to blame for not taking their own policies seriously, posturing, paying lip service to the poor and unprivileged for decades, and failing completely to put up an inspiring candidate. They have supported and built the surveillance state, ignored the poor and destroyed millions of lives in the middle east.<p>I don&#x27;t think Trump can be called a good person. His perspective on life is shaped by wealth, privilege, ego and acqusitions. It all economics and very little humanity. Some of his positions are unquestionably racist and unpleasant.<p>It&#x27;s troubling and telling that a majority of this country thought such an individual should &#x27;lead&#x27; them. All pretensions are off, the mask has dropped to reveal the deep ugliness within. All those smug comedians making fun of Trump look like clowns themselves.
icedchocolateover 8 years ago
Honestly Brexit and Trump both tell me that democracy doesn&#x27;t work, because the majority of the population is undereducated, bigoted, and has absolutely no idea about how to run an economy - it makes no sense for the working class who don&#x27;t understand the most basic of economic concepts to influence how the economy is run.<p>I hope he doesn&#x27;t screw America&#x27;s economy by preventing skilled immigrants coming in and helping the tech industry, and by screwing up America&#x27;s free trade deals. The return of protectionist &amp; economically idiotic policy could truly screw the US.
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Gatskyover 8 years ago
The general sadness is unwarranted. Trump has already toned it down in the acceptance speech. There is no better way to sedate a demagogue than to let them gain office.<p>There are two types of elections these days - those where candidates are career politicians that are rather moderate, and opposing parties have very similar policies. These elections are always very close, nobody gets much of a majority, and nothing is achieved. The second type is where demagogues talk a lot of nonsense with impunity, and get voted in because of vague notions about their ability to disrupt &#x27;the system&#x27;. They usually espouse conservative, paranoid, xenophobic views. They also don&#x27;t achieve anything substantial, because fundamentally, they don&#x27;t see running the country as their job, their job is to win, and whatever happens after that, well who cares? The weird leadership vacuum after Brexit was a classic example of this. Trump will probably fall into this second category, but there is a small chance he could actually turn himself into effective President. The most likely outcome though is 4 years of aimlessness. I also doubt he will get 2 terms. I think as an incumbent, the advantages that helped him win this election will probably evaporate.
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gotofritzover 8 years ago
I think it boils down to Clinton not being a good candidate - she&#x27;s &quot;the establishment&quot;, a woman, and has no charisma. You can&#x27;t have all three and still win.<p>Obama had the &quot;handicap&quot; of being black and &quot;a funny name&quot; but has plenty charisma and was seen as an outsider. Trump has charisma (for some) and is an outsider. Clinton has no redeeming quality in the eye of the electorate, even many who voted for her did so to stop Trump, not because they believed in her.
adt2btover 8 years ago
I, like many, did not see this coming and I am truly afraid for the future of the USA. We sure showed up Brexit, though.
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Fifer82over 8 years ago
America&#x27;s greatest outcome today was their shunning of the Media. I am so proud. As a Skeptic and outsider, 95% of the media was anti trump. America made its own choice, and it has the balls to stand by it and make a success of it.
mindcrimeover 8 years ago
Threads here are all over the place, and I guess there&#x27;s a lot that can be said in response to Trump&#x27;s election. So I&#x27;ll just chime in with this, which is a hasty, from-memory, partial rehash of something I posted on Facebook earlier.<p>If you have a problem with Trump being elected, or with our political system as it is in general, consider this old saw<p><i>&quot;If you keep doing what you&#x27;ve been doing, you&#x27;ll keep getting what you&#x27;ve been getting.&quot;</i><p>Now, full disclosure, I&#x27;m a &quot;third party&quot; guy (Libertarian, specifically) anyway, so I am absolutely biased, no bones about it. But I believe that part of doing something besides &quot;what we&#x27;ve always done&quot; means starting to vote for 3rd party candidates. Screw Duverger&#x27;s Law, forget &quot;lesser of two evils&quot; voting, and quit voting out of fear. I posit that people need to start voting for candidates they support instead of voting against candidates they are afraid of.<p>Along with that, of course, belong efforts to switch voting systems to approval voting, or Condorcet voting, etc., as well as efforts to eliminate restrictive ballot access laws, open up the debates, etc.<p>Basically, we have to break up this duopoly that has been in place for 100+ years, or nothing is really going to change. Of course my hope is that all this will lead to more Libertarians in office,but even if you don&#x27;t support the Libertarian viewpoint, I hope most everybody can agree that the current system isn&#x27;t working as it should.
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simosxover 8 years ago
Both the BREXIT campaigners and Trump over-promised on how they will fix the financial crisis.<p>Neither started to deliver yet, and will be seeing what they can actually do in 2017.<p>It kinda does not make sense because their promises are either mutually exclusive (strict fiscal policy but spending) or do not play well with the rest of the world (tariffs and other trade restrictions which eventually would be matched on the other side).<p>In many smaller countries, the politicians would run a whole campaign on the disaffected feeling and over-promising on how good they will be in fixing it. Once they were in power however, they would not achieve much and the next party would over-promise in order to get elected.<p>In the following years we will witness how over-promising will play with a super-power.
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rl3over 8 years ago
This election proved that virtually the entirety of the election prediction space has no idea what the hell it&#x27;s doing.<p>We live in a world of big data with vast computational resources, and this outcome is somehow an upset—a totally unexpected surprise.
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incogitomodeover 8 years ago
Absolutely the most depressing political event of my life. I would have generally written off an outcome like this as a product of personal mosanthropy and pessimism, only held in check by past results that surprised me in a good way.<p>While my filter bubble isn&#x27;t solid enough to not understand this, I truly wish it wasn&#x27;t the case.<p>As our new president-elect says; so sad.
jroseattleover 8 years ago
Big data and big polling (Nate Silvers) took a major credibility hit in this election. People will be studying this for years.<p>Of course, it&#x27;s not that big data itself was to blame, just the interpretation of it. Nate, not sure what to tell you but that was a significant miss in this election, going all the way back into the primaries.
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criley2over 8 years ago
I hope everyone in this thread realizes that what they do: writing software and creating machines to replace uneducated lower income white workers -- is probably the single greatest driver to white economic anxiety and the rise of modern white nationalism.<p>The scary thing is... none of us will stop. Our software, our robots, our big data, how many millions more will be displaced by the next election? How long until taxis and trucks are being massively displaced?<p>With automation we&#x27;re digging a grave and the people whom are getting put into that grave will turn to anyone -- anyone -- who promises they can change it.<p>Donald Trump will be the first of many populist white nationalists in the West who meekly promise they can stop globalization and automation.<p>They can&#x27;t. Those jobs are dead men walking. The white working class is a zombie, undead, going through the motions, with twenty million more jobs on the cutting block in the next decade.<p>A billion guns, a hundred million angry poor white people, and all we&#x27;re doing is displacing them and validating their anger. What an industry.
welanesover 8 years ago
Will the people who denigrated his supporters so vehemently here and on Twitter pause to ask themselves why Trump won so convincingly, and whether their reflexes to publicly shame his supporters may have played a role in the outcome?<p>I&#x27;d hope they would. There are many important conversations to be had but we need to begin by understanding and respecting the opinions of the other side.
sergiotapiaover 8 years ago
It&#x27;s been an incredible journey and frankly it&#x27;s amazing he managed to cross the finish line. What a winner!<p>I&#x27;m excited about the future of my country. OPTIMISM! No more self loathing and defeatism. Time to rekindle the American dream.
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ipsinover 8 years ago
I have to readjust my own mental model of what it means to be an American. It&#x27;s not the end of the world, but shit, what happens to the Supreme Court will have implications for the next few decades.
_gfrcover 8 years ago
This is one of the issues that the social media bubble creates.<p>We don&#x27;t reach people that are different, neither do their voices reach us. We are all so connected nowadays and yet so separated.
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eva1984over 8 years ago
Several things come to my mind:<p>1.It marks as the final blow to US hegemony ever since USSR clashes. It is hard for me to believe, after this election, US will still be hailed as THE example that others should follow. Too many scandals and ugliness have been unleashed. That era is now officially over.<p>2.US will start look inwards other outwards. I mean globalization will halt to correction, or we will see the start of reverse of it.<p>3.Immigration will be tamed, across all level of skills. There will be more political pressure and obstacle for company to absorb foreign talents. Not good news for developers to seek job here in US.<p>4.History will not end after all, human as species is too complex for that.<p>5.Last not least, this election breaks a lot of values, or the illusion of having them, but fails to bring up its own. This is the ultimate devastating part. The boundary between democracy and populism is vaguer than ever, and its benefits, other than a national ritual to legalize a new administration, is putting under questions.
nabla9over 8 years ago
Trump is not an isolated event. Populism is growing everywhere<p>- Italy: Silvio Berlusconi era (- 2011)<p>- Philippines: Rodrigo Duterte<p>- Hungary: right wing populist party in charge<p>- Poland: populist Law and Justice party in charge<p>- Britain: Brexit, Boris Johnson<p>- Turkey: Erogan
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JumpCrisscrossover 8 years ago
How does this change Silicon Valley&#x27;a relationship with Washington and the American cultural narrative? In an world where urbanisation, diversification and a global American technological hegemony are &quot;good&quot; American values, Silicon Valley for right in. But now our values are under fire and our titans likely liable for payback.<p>Does this restructure the entrenched powers? Or merely force them to rebrand as rebels?
defenover 8 years ago
I take this as the ultimate vindication of pg&#x27;s &quot;It&#x27;s Charisma, Stupid&quot; essay from 12 years ago <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;paulgraham.com&#x2F;charisma.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;paulgraham.com&#x2F;charisma.html</a>
michaelvozover 8 years ago
Been living in the Bay Area for 17 years. Nothing will change.
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einrealistover 8 years ago
A President who considers Climate Change a hoax. I am now really afraid for mankind.
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rafinhaover 8 years ago
Bernie Sanders could have been the president, but Hillary cheated in the primaries.
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pmoriartyover 8 years ago
It will be most interesting to see the fallout from this on the Republican side.<p>Will there be consequences for all those high level Republicans who dared to publicly come out against Trump? Will they still be against Trump now that he&#x27;s won, or will they start supporting him all of a sudden?<p>I, for one, can&#x27;t see any scenario where Trump is as mild and easy going once he has power than he&#x27;s been when trying to get the popular vote. If anything, he&#x27;ll be far more extreme now. Will such extremism further fracture the Republican party? Or will they look the other way and act as apologists for it as they have so often in the past?
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meddlepalover 8 years ago
Democrats need a new strategy for middle America. Pretending the coasts and middle America are the same or can be made the same is a failure.
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buchanafover 8 years ago
Whelp, on the bright side future historians will now have an easy way to mark the decline of the United States.<p>I feel totally numb. As an American, I could not be any more disappointed in the people of this country.
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iniminoover 8 years ago
Given that this has been among the most polarizing campaigns ever, could a new, truly centrist third party start building support among the many &quot;no to both&quot; voters and have a chance in 2020?<p>I realize it&#x27;s crazy to suggest a third party could have a chance in American politics, but prove me wrong.
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CptJamesCookover 8 years ago
Please stop calling people you don&#x27;t agree with racist and sexist. It&#x27;s wrong, it&#x27;s mean, and it does not seem to have the desired effect.<p>Human beings are basically good. We are trying to go about our lives and do the best we can. The vast majority of us are neither sexist nor racist.
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Artoemiusover 8 years ago
Brexit, then this. Life on Earth is becoming unpredictable again. A bit scary, but fun. It was way too boring.
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devyover 8 years ago
Whereas almost no political pundit would expect Trump to be the president-elect, there is one guy consistently predicted the result. His name is Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert[1].<p>Also worth mentioning is that Bloomberg ran an length article about Trump&#x27;s campaign team and how they operate. One interesting tibits was the fact that the same team behind Brexit was also the major helper in the late stage of Trump&#x27;s campaign. That team is Cambridge Analytica[2], funded primarily by Hedgefund manager&#x2F;computer scientist Robert Mercer from Renaissance Technologies.<p>[1] blog.dilbert.com<p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cambridge_Analytica" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cambridge_Analytica</a>
giisover 8 years ago
As someone followed this election from India - I&#x27;ll compare 2014, India&#x27;s Right-wing party election with this one , my thoughts:<p>* Ruling party tried to seek vote by projecting opposition candidate as evil, Instead of selling their own-accomplishment to the people. (Exactly the similar case with Current Indian PM in 2014.)<p>* US Main Stream Media is corrupt. They didn&#x27;t understand they can&#x27;t fool people anymore, thanks to social media. There is lot of way to reach out common-people using social media, rather than just MSM. IMHO, US media ran campaign to projected one candidate as very bad person. (Exactly same again, with Modi where virtually all media refute the claim &#x27;Modi Wave&#x27; across the country in 2014). Intentionally came out fake poll reports.<p>* Result may look close, but I&#x27;m pretty sure, If there was fair trail of both candidates by MSM, Trump might have won by bigger margin than current one.<p>* Fear of minority : Once you become &#x27;head of state&#x27;. Elected leader must adapt themselves to their new role with more responsibility. So If you found something insane statement during campaign - most likely they won&#x27;t be implemented. - Its just way to polarize people behind one candidate.<p>* I think most people voted for Trump is fed-up whats going with-their political systems and corruption. Not necessarily agree with Trump on each &amp; every thing he said during campaign. They might have thought, why not give him chance, if its not good. We can switch votes in 2020.<p>Ending note: In 2014, Tea-seller Modi was running against ruling PM (phd scholar 2004-2014). People saw his development and anti-corruption promises (yes there are some political gimmicks to polarize votes). People fedup with scams &amp; corruptions from ruling party for last 10 years, thought Why not give him a chance? and the end result is massive 171,660,230 votes to get majority to form the govt. In these two years, he still popular, way better than previous 2 govt by well-educated PM. (Just yesterday he announced surprising move to scrap Rs 500 and Rs 1000 currency notes to eliminate black-money) . Media still trying hard to create fake fears among minority since they want their master to get back in power in next election. Country is largely peaceful &amp; economy is growing. I hope same will be case with Trump too, he will focus on most important economic and development tasks. He wont&#x2F;can&#x27;t implement this controversial plan which may affect his development plans.
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imhover 8 years ago
I like the new york times coverage better. It does a better job of acknowledging Trump&#x27;s supporters and why he won, as opposed to just focusing on why Clinton lost.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;09&#x2F;us&#x2F;politics&#x2F;hillary-clinton-donald-trump-president.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;09&#x2F;us&#x2F;politics&#x2F;hillary-clinto...</a>
gkyaover 8 years ago
I just want to reproduce here part of my comment on the today&#x27;s AskHN regarding Trump:<p><i>My interpretation of Trump is as follows, though note that I&#x27;m not american nor a close follower of US politics, or politics in general.</i><p><i>The main concern of his is the flow of capital out of the US, be it through delocating companies or employment of cheap workforce mainly in southeastern Asia. He wants to exploit the national potential of workforce and has a more introvert, more domestic politic inclination, planning minimal involvement in international questions. And he seeks the support needed through a populist policy with a xenophobic and banale rhetoric targeting the unread american proletariat, the unemployed, and the elderly who does not appreciate the today&#x27;s increasingly internationalised society and culture.</i>
fgandiyaover 8 years ago
Ah well, and his party has house and Senate too. I&#x27;ve been looking through his policies and I&#x27;m amazed at how he won.<p>I&#x27;m gonna be angry about this for an hour before I give find something else to do.
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anurajover 8 years ago
Bernie Sanders was the candidate who could have defeated Trump. The DNC establishment and media rigged the primaries for Clinton but failed to gauge the anger that is building - Trump is the outcome.
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navinsylvesterover 8 years ago
Saddened to see the world heading towards a very unsavory place. The Brexit effect is going to take us backward and backward. We are going to see more hatred being spread :(. How did we come down to this place?.<p>#1 Americans policy in the middle east is a total washout. The repercussions of it is starting to rear its head.<p>#2 The rigidity of the staunch followers of religions in following the rule of the land. I mean the stupid followers. Your country men are also your brethren sort of attitude - not just people of your faith. In the highly inter-connected world if we don&#x27;t shed hatred and don&#x27;t learn to be tolerant towards other faiths - we will be doomed.<p>#3 The voting process needs a re-look. Look what happened with boaty mcboatface, brexit and now US polls. Age shouldn&#x27;t be the only criteria to allow someone in voting process. I don&#x27;t think this is a easy problem to solve but we definitely need a rethink.
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Xisiqomelirover 8 years ago
Congratulations to the President.<p>Good luck with your time in office, it&#x27;s probably the most challenging job in the world (after systemd debugger).
evilsover 8 years ago
The new MacBook Pro doesn&#x27;t seem to be that big of deal any more.
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imronover 8 years ago
Trump&#x27;s acceptance speech was quite magnanimous.<p>If he can pull off the things he mentioned in that speech then it&#x27;s not going to be so bad.
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sccxyover 8 years ago
Just tell me, how all those polls got it wrong.<p>People were afraid of telling what they really want?
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jyriandover 8 years ago
Let&#x27;s be honest, if you have to choose between two unacceptable candidates, it&#x27;s not a choice at all.
akerroover 8 years ago
I still can&#x27;t believe Hillary disrespected all people who supported her and came close to her stage by not giving a final speech. Was she not paid for it?
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unabstover 8 years ago
The victor will never be asked if he told the truth. &#x2F; I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature. &#x2F; Great liars are also great magicians. &#x2F; I use emotion for the many and reserve reason for the few.<p>Trumps handbook. He shouldn&#x27;t be mistaken for the same person, since people of that caliber only happen once, but that is exactly how he elected himself. Psychology wins elections. Not policy, not integrity, not even sanity. And now he has the power.<p>Nothing he said or says matters. He is a magician. So I hope he&#x27;s full of white doves.<p>His victory speech wasn&#x27;t all that bad actually.
pdkl95over 8 years ago
This was ignored when I tried to post it recently, but maybe now is the time for Brown U. Prof. of Political Economy Mark Blyth&#x27;s discussion of &quot;Global Trumpism&quot; - the discontent with the establishment and general revolt against technocracy and globalism.<p>Full lecture: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Bkm2Vfj42FY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Bkm2Vfj42FY</a><p>TL;DW 4min summary: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Zzl4B3mrKQE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Zzl4B3mrKQE</a>
nickppover 8 years ago
I don&#x27;t think Donald Trump won these elections. Rather Hillary Clinton lost them.
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Grue3over 8 years ago
Hillary Clinton presidential campaign is probably the worst managed presidential campaign in history. How do you even lose to a joke of a candidate like Trump? The writing was on the wall when they named fucking Pepe the Frog the &quot;symbol of white nationalism&quot;. The entire campaign, somehow, existed in a bubble with no connection to reality. It was painful to watch. Doesn&#x27;t help that Clinton herself is suspiciously corrupt and unlikeable.
noir-yorkover 8 years ago
Hillary has been marked by betrayal.<p>Jennifer Flowers<p>Monica Lewinsky<p>Vince Foster<p>Whitewater<p>Benghazi<p>State Emails<p>John Podesta&#x27;s emails<p>Anthony Weiner emails<p>And the seeds of today&#x27;s defeat: NAFTA, the 1993 free trade bill passed by her own husband that unleashed globalisation on an untrained and ill-prepared American workforce and rebooted Reagan Democrats as Trump democrats.
jonduboisover 8 years ago
Wow, this is so unexpected. Reading the news a few hours ago, it sounded absolutely certain that Hillary Clinton would win.<p>I think it shows that there is a limit to how far people can be manipulated by the media. It&#x27;s a win for the people.
readhnover 8 years ago
May be, just may be, after these elections the USA will pause and think about how we got here in the first place? when the only choices we got left are the &quot;same old crooked politician&quot; vs &quot;egocentric billionaire with bathroom fixtures made of gold&quot;.<p>As George Carlin would say: &quot;This is the best we got folks. These are the best people the country got to offer! So.. ENJOY the circus!!&quot;
devyover 8 years ago
Whereas almost no political pundit would expect Trump to be the president-elect, there is one guy consistently predicted the result. His name is Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert[1].<p>Also worth mentioning is that Bloomberg ran an length article about Trump&#x27;s campaign team and how they operate. One interesting tibits was the fact that the same team behind Brexit was also the major helper in the late stage of Trump&#x27;s campaign. That team is Cambridge Analytica[2], funded primarily by Hedgefund manager&#x2F;computer scientist Robert Mercer from Renaissance Technologies. Mercer was a major donor of Republican party and indirectly helped Trump pick Kellyanne Conway as his one and final campaign manager.<p>[1] blog.dilbert.com<p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cambridge_Analytica" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cambridge_Analytica</a><p>[3] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;donald-trump-brexit-us-presidential-election-2016-9" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;donald-trump-brexit-us-presid...</a>
Nadyaover 8 years ago
Surprisingly, namecalling doesn&#x27;t sway votes. Calling people with genuine concerns about their country and well-being racist and sexist doesn&#x27;t win you votes. Calling half the country <i>Deplorable</i> doesn&#x27;t win you votes.<p>It doesn&#x27;t help that the DNC rigged the election against Bernie, Clinton isn&#x27;t &quot;relatable&quot; and struggles with public image, Clinton was under FBI investigation, both Clintons have had years and years of scandals. I&#x27;m honestly surprised it was even as close as it was for the popular vote.<p>I did not vote, but it should be fairly obvious from this post or my post history that I lean pro-Trump and <i>very</i> strongly against Clinton. For those who disagree with it, I&#x27;m sure the first response is blaming bigots and racists and sexists and blah blah blah. Rather than listening to half of your country - you shout over them and call them names, names which are only sometimes &quot;earned&quot;.<p>The country can either grow more divided or we can grow together. The next four years will determine which direction we head.
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nightcrackerover 8 years ago
My condolences.
Confusionover 8 years ago
<p><pre><code> Instead of patronising these people it&#x27;s time we tried to understand their concerns and try to assuage them. </code></pre> That seems pointless to me. This part of the population seems permanently unhappy and angry, no matter what happens. They blame their problems on outside causes, but their problems are actually their own and there is no change in the world that would solve them.<p>Every country, including utopias like Norway and the Netherlands, has a lot of these people. At least in the US they can truly complain about being poor and mistreated. In Norway and the Netherlands, even these people have a better standard of living, better health case, better prospects, an objectively better life, than 95% of the world population. Yet they vote for populists, complain about immigrants and generally act is if they are being wronged in some way.<p>Can democracy work if part of the demos don&#x27;t have the best interest of <i>all</i> other demos in mind?
plandisover 8 years ago
I&#x27;ve never felt less American than I do right now. The country that voted for a man who has been recorded stating that he sexually assaults women is not a country in which I want to live.
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pcuniteover 8 years ago
Thoughts on the election: For the past year, I&#x27;ve have been made to feel stupid (only the uneducated back Trump), violent (we cause rioting), abusive (can&#x27;t treat women correctly), uncool (Lady Gaga tells me), and you name it. Fake patriots are everywhere and they did not even have the courage to explain what this was all about.<p>Last night was nothing short of a miracle. God stepped in and brought the victory over all the lying, cheating polling stations and managers. It was amazing. Trump won even though they had totally rigged it against him!<p>There is still a lot left to do. And just like finding out your best friend is not perfect, Trump has a lot to learn. He needs our future support and prayers. There is so much corruption and he is not experienced with this. Many will claim to be on his side (people &quot;love&quot; winners) and it will take time to identify the fakes.<p>The news media is lying to you. Think for yourselves.
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du_bingover 8 years ago
China now has a big chance to make more influences on the whole world now, because USA will focus more on her own problems.
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Shivetyaover 8 years ago
What I am most interested in going forward.<p>His cabinet. That will tell us where he really is going. If he meets with both sides quickly.<p>Also, I want to see if President Obama is gracious today or not. He has a chance to make the transition smooth but at the same time his own rhetoric has not been encouraging as of late. If he poisons the well all bets are off
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lightedmanover 8 years ago
And this is what you get when you eviscerate education budgets and remove things like civics and government from the classroom, or make it AP-only.<p>The awesome part is that since I can&#x27;t legally vote, I get to point at the rest of you and act like I&#x27;m George Carlin for the next four years. Brace yourselves.
DavajDavajover 8 years ago
I think that this is also a backslash against the PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies that have been spreading in the U.S. for the last couple of years. This has become too much and millions of Americans are fed up with it, they have now spoken out.
krmboyaover 8 years ago
Most fascinating for me as an outsider, is that perhaps, maybe, Americans decided to go against status quo, to vote against the establishment.
pnathanover 8 years ago
Not a good thing. Not at all. Multiple systemic failures over a long haul led to this.<p>Better batten the hatches, we might be in for quite the ride.
pavlovover 8 years ago
With the Senate and House controlled by Republicans, Trump has an enormous mandate now. Nothing stands in the way of his delivering on his campaign promises.<p>We know he loves to assign blame to anyone but himself. He doesn&#x27;t take responsibility for mistakes. That&#x27;s been proven over and over again, by everyone from business partners to former wives.<p>In four years when America hasn&#x27;t become &quot;great again&quot;, who is he going to blame? That&#x27;s the really scary part to me. Electing a populist isn&#x27;t when things go off the rails -- it&#x27;s when the in-power populists start looking for scapegoats.
laichzeit0over 8 years ago
So the LA times poll is the only poll that was right, from the beginning? Perhaps time to take their methodology seriously.<p>Also, perhaps the extreme form of multiculturalism is a failed experiment, much like communism was a failed experiment. Time to wake up, ultra liberals.
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iamgopalover 8 years ago
When back in India, Congress won with majority, I was flabbergasted, I mean how can people can be so retard to give vote to stupid congress ? Then I realize, Its just only me with some above average income have time to think about global warming or global harmony, most of the people plainly worried about where their next meal comes from. or at most which TV serials on air. For those people other things does not matter, until, basic necessities get solved.
lumberjackover 8 years ago
What&#x27;s interesting about this whole thing from my perspective:<p>1. Mark Cuban, Peter Thiel, Bloomberg and others might decide to run for president now that Trump has shown that it is possible.<p>2. Trump says he&#x27;s anti-establishment, but he&#x27;s also a billionaire. Wouldn&#x27;t it me more accurate to see this as infighting between US elite? Or maybe a new group of elite wanting their share of power? Or maybe disagreements between elite from different sectors of the economy.
berserkpiover 8 years ago
Here is an opinion of a Mexican guy.<p>I remember back in the day when Mexican president Carlos Salinas promoted the NAFTA deal as a solution to our problems. I started to disagree when reason came to me (I was too young when it happened), few reasons:<p>- I believed in a more protectionist system that encouraged internal growth. I still do to a point. - Trading is good as long as you don&#x27;t compromise internal production and employment. NAFTA is way too aggressive in this sense. - It will triggered this bad &quot;us-american?&quot; behavior of consumerism and materialism.<p>Well, here we are 22 years after and it&#x27;s evident the system got exhausted, even for US-Americans who were supposed to be the strong link in this chain.<p>Is killing NAFTA a good idea? maybe. I don&#x27;t know. We are so deep into these waters that it has to be a small &quot;chunk by chunk&quot; change, and even so, it&#x27;ll be chaos.<p>What I am sure we need, is to find a new balance, going all protectionist will be a huge mistake, just like this crazy aggressive neoliberalism that allowed companies behave irresponsible. Believe me, the consequences of this 20+ years trade system in Mexico are massive.<p>Wait, I&#x27;m not a pro-Trump crazy Mexican, keep reading.<p>As I said, we need a new balance. To my eyes, Trump is an extremist and a dangerous man, he doesn&#x27;t sound or act like a guy that could bring this balance. I think USA voters made a huge mistake on electing him. But, at the same time, they had 2 very poor choices. They just chose the worst one.<p>The years to come will be interesting ones... that is given.
vcool07over 8 years ago
I think this strongly reflects the hypocrisy of the modern society. On the outside (especially on social media, most people wanted to be seen as a liberal&#x2F; pseudo intellectual bashing Trump and his policies. But on the inside they seemed to have appreciated some of his policies or attitude or whatever, and went ahead and voted for him. It&#x27;s hard to take anyone at face value just based on their social media profile.
tormehover 8 years ago
I think we worry for nothing about his campaign promises. I guess he&#x27;s a sociopath and a con man. He doesn&#x27;t give a shit about what he&#x27;s promised. Before he won he was going to jail Hillary, but now he says that &quot;we all&quot; owe her.<p>What&#x27;s he going to do in office? He&#x27;ll want what he always wants: To win. Doubtlessly he&#x27;ll try to enrich himself, but other than that it&#x27;s kind of hard to tell.
throwaawwaayyover 8 years ago
Ok, I&#x27;m trying to think of a silver lining of all this.<p>Trump and brexit are about bringing changes. For brexit to work, it has to be hard brexit, for Trump to work, he has to follow through the things he said. And they must show the changes they bring are good, for example, there need to be more jobs, less foreigner, working class people take home more money, etc. When my thought reached this point, I&#x27;m thinking: it&#x27;s impossible for them to do it. They either bring the economy down and hurt more people, or they betray their supportors. Either way will spell disaster for this Trump&#x2F;Brexit ideology and put an end to it.<p>Brexit&#x2F;Trump fail =&gt; People support them realise they made a mistake =&gt; less people support far right Isolationism =&gt; we restore the happy central liberal world.<p>But then I realise how wrong I was, they don&#x27;t have to make it work for everyone, they just need to please the people who supported them, which is only half of the country, they have the other half to screw over with. They CAN make it work in the short term for some people, like Hilter did between 1933-1939. But then what..?<p>So no silver lining after all.
tomdellover 8 years ago
In addition to Trump winning, the GOP will hold a majority in both houses of Congress, further empowering conservatives.<p>This is not the outcome many on the left expected.
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daveheqover 8 years ago
Congratulations to the party that supports corporate profits over clean water, clean air, health, wealth and mental health of the working class, religion over science and education, and power over empowerment. We&#x27;ll know what it&#x27;s like for the Republicans to rule the world for four years, and the who just had his staff convicted will now pick Trump&#x27;s staff.
aikahover 8 years ago
Well it turns out Thiel was right on the money. How many people are still going to call for his head on a plate now ?
mtwover 8 years ago
At least Twitter will be saved! He won&#x27;t allow a company to go under while it&#x27;s his favorite media :)
XorNotover 8 years ago
I am selling my US ETF holdings. I&#x27;m hoping for a bounce to get out at break even, but I&#x27;ll clear whatever the price before Trump is sworn in. Presuming nothing world-endingly catastrophic happens, I&#x27;m pretty sure I&#x27;ll pick it up on a discount later.
mstadeover 8 years ago
It&#x27;s obviously not going to happen, but let&#x27;s play hypotheticals for a minute. Do you <i>have</i> to have at least 270 electoral votes, or is the requirement just an electoral majority? Hypothetically – and the chance of this happening is obviously nil – if 10 people who are supposed to vote for Trump in the electoral college decides to be faithless and abstain or vote for Hillary, what would happen? At that point Trump would have 269 electoral votes and Hillary would have 218-228. Does Trump still win or does it go to the house for a vote? (Where Trump most certainly will be voted president <i>anyway</i>, so moot point.)<p>I find the US electoral system fascinating, and scary complex.
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aerodogover 8 years ago
Obama, 2 weeks ago - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=wC1NGWM8gP8&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=17s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=wC1NGWM8gP8&amp;feature=youtu.be...</a>
EGregover 8 years ago
The Alternative Vote would have prevented so many of the structural problems with USA&#x27;s democracy that keep this country deeply divided, and people holding their nose when voting:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;magarshak.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;?p=254" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;magarshak.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;?p=254</a><p>As it is, the party that nominated the establishment candidate lost all the anti-establishment, anti-globalist fervor and vote that &quot;Bernie or Bust&quot; people represent. This fervor is not understood in today&#x27;s Establishment including the media. The Alternative Vote would have properly channeled it.
dudulover 8 years ago
I bet a lot of families will have an &quot;interesting&quot; Thanksgiving dinner.
karakalover 8 years ago
Is it a good idea to invest a little money now that the market plunged?
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har777over 8 years ago
Was this a result of protest votes against Hillary or do people genuinely support a Trump presidency ? Would Bernie have fared better against Trump had he been the democratic nominee ?
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sidcoolover 8 years ago
I can&#x27;t fathom how people can vote for him after listening to his speeches. He might be good, but his speeches are crap. Can&#x27;t vote for him. Sad day for competency.
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shawn-butlerover 8 years ago
I don&#x27;t know why anyone listens to social science &quot;experts&quot; at all without asking significant methodological questions in the future.<p>I keep hearing how it is unbelievable how there is a 55% approval rating of the current sitting president and yet...<p>If it were me I guess I would be asking how exactly yet another made-up &quot;fact&quot; is calculated &#x2F; rendered believable rather than just parroting more nonsense.
Illniyarover 8 years ago
MMM... so silver lining - is the TPP going to die now?
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radisbover 8 years ago
U.S Elections 2016: &quot;Pure Evil&quot; vs &quot;Corrupted Good&quot; Some people see this a battle between purity and corruption, Some see this as a battle between good and evil.<p>I think the difference in meaning,interpretation and semantics in the context of politics is much more distinguishable when we compare purity and corruption than when we compare good and evil.
bikamonkiover 8 years ago
Polls do have a margin of error yet the wider chances that Hillary was getting just a couple of days prior are NOT an error: private media responds to private interest. I&#x27;ve seen it happen before: in the US and elsewhere, to influence a presidential election or to make one choose coke over pepsi; it happened on printed media, it now happens online.
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greens231over 8 years ago
i dont know about america but he certainly made the news great again
pknerdover 8 years ago
So the this <i>anti immigration</i> and <i>Anti Muslim</i> factor worked for US and UK well. Who&#x27;s next, Australia?
diyseguyover 8 years ago
He won because the extreme left is devolving into an oppressive free-speech vacuum <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;reason.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;09&#x2F;trump-won-because-leftist-political-corr" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;reason.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;09&#x2F;trump-won-because-leftist-...</a>
agumonkeyover 8 years ago
Whoelse thinks that Trump is and will mostly be a joke. That none of is populist antics will really reach our realm (mexican wall, anti climate research deeds, ...). That he and his team will get a reality check when nature, life, mind changing people will start to resist bits by bits to nonsensical projects ?
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tgb29over 8 years ago
I&#x27;m disappointed in YCombinator and SamA&#x27;s attitude towards Trump and his supporters throughout this campaign. However, it&#x27;s not YCombinator&#x27;s fault, and I will blame the Mainstream Media for successfully distorting the views of so many smart and good Americans.
amaiover 8 years ago
Germany says: &quot;Refugees welcome! (But don&#x27;t bring your guns with you)&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.facebook.com&#x2F;martin.sonneborn&#x2F;posts&#x2F;10211168800886311" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.facebook.com&#x2F;martin.sonneborn&#x2F;posts&#x2F;102111688008...</a>
losteverythingover 8 years ago
We all need to start to ignore mr. Trump and eliminate the fear he brings into our minds.
dibsternover 8 years ago
So the world&#x27;s most liveable city is Melbourne, Australia, we&#x27;re very far from Trump, much further than Canada, VC firms and tech startups are more than welcome to come on over and enjoy the best quality of life on offer! Hehe
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rbanffyover 8 years ago
Humanity, meet the Great Filter.
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veeragoniover 8 years ago
A good reminder to the hackernews article posted a while ago. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12043428" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12043428</a>
pglover 8 years ago
And I thought Brexit was bad.
shams93over 8 years ago
I took a look at his economic plan. He seems to want to do everything at the same time, if hid campaign was a startup it would never be funded you can&#x27;t present 3 bullet points as a pitch deck.
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aryehofover 8 years ago
I&#x27;m reminded of the saying &quot;every nation gets the government they deserve&quot;. Let&#x27;s hope for the American people it&#x27;s for the better, not the worse.
dev1nover 8 years ago
Unless trump has this grand, hidden plan to invest heavily in infrastructure, people in the middle of the country will see increasing unemployment.
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d3ckardover 8 years ago
Well, as a Pole... it&#x27;s nice to know Americans are as dumb as we are. The problem is, number of places to run away just reduced considerably.
blondie9xover 8 years ago
#RepealElectoralCollege yet again this system has failed us with someone being elected with less votes than opponent. This system is broken.
nthcolumnover 8 years ago
TIL that you can be an intellectually challenged, racist, misogynistic, lying, tax dodging sex pest and still be president of the USA.
thrillgoreover 8 years ago
Tomorrow I am going to contact a legal firm to start the processes needed to prove my UK Citizenship, as the son of a UK Citizen.
ant6nover 8 years ago
&gt; * cheating against wildly popular Sanders<p>Do you have any source for this? It seems that Clinton won even without the super delegates.
juicedover 8 years ago
Let&#x27;s reject the low-impact politics going insane and instead focus on the advancements of high-impact technologies.
Blahahover 8 years ago
Jimmy Carter: &quot;If we succumb to a dream world, we&#x27;ll wake up to a nightmare.&quot;<p>Trump: &quot;I make the best nightmares.&quot;
flamedogeover 8 years ago
2016 what a year
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timdeneauover 8 years ago
Unbelievable. With the House and Senate.
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id122015over 8 years ago
How many times has the word &quot;globalisation&quot; been used in the comments ? Do you know what it means ? Does it have only one meaning ?<p>Just previously a subject was opened &quot;Why is electricity so hard to understand? (1989)&quot; <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;amasci.com&#x2F;miscon&#x2F;whyhard2.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;amasci.com&#x2F;miscon&#x2F;whyhard2.html</a>
blfrover 8 years ago
Speaking of tech bubble, just a few weeks ago people wanted to purge Thiel for supporting Trump.
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Oletrosover 8 years ago
Sad day for the planet Earth if he abides at his promises about EPA, NOAA, Paris Agreement, etc
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partycoderover 8 years ago
Well, not only that:<p>- Trump president<p>- Republicans won the Senate<p>- Republicans won the House<p>So it&#x27;s going to be a very hard time to endure.
udshuover 8 years ago
we need to create something on internet more powerful than old nations !!
kabdibover 8 years ago
So, how likely is it that the election was tipped by electronic fraud?
knguyen0105over 8 years ago
So the wall will be built?
mikorymover 8 years ago
I wonder if the Russian Troll Factory is active on this thread.
kaoltiover 8 years ago
Is it not possible that people just voted against politicians?
OMGWTFover 8 years ago
The problem is not that we ended up with Trump (or Hillary). The problem is that we ended up with Trump vs. Hillary. The majority didn&#x27;t care enough for the earlier stages of our democratic process.
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GottsKreiderover 8 years ago
Thank the Lord Almighty for Divine Interevention
trymasover 8 years ago
Peter Thiel&#x27;s dreams have beocme a reality.
jimnotgymover 8 years ago
Libertarians of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your bigots. Put away national boundaries and look to a worldwide connected future. Make bigotry obsolete
Klimentover 8 years ago
I reiterate my post-Brexit-vote offer of giving immigration and relocation and general advice to anyone wishing to move to Germany. Contact info in my profile.
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hellofunkover 8 years ago
I used to think that, as the saying goes, we are all Greek. But that is no longer true. Now, we are all Russian.
pcglueover 8 years ago
Seeing that bozo at the podium as president-elect, I really feel like I&#x27;m in the Twilight Zone.
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taxipleasantonover 8 years ago
let see the his new policies
supergirlover 8 years ago
Who cares
einrover 8 years ago
<i>The Baltic Republics vs. the rest of the USSR. </i><p>Just FYI, since I assume you&#x27;re not very familiar with these countries: this kind of lumping together the so-called &quot;Baltic Republics&quot; with the &quot;USSR&quot; is generally very offensive to Estonians, Lithuanians and Latvians, who have nothing to do ethnically or culturally with Russia and generally view the Soviet era as very dark times.<p>Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were invaded and taken by force because of geographical proximity to Russia. Nothing else. There are no relevant conclusions to be drawn by making comparisons like yours because these are different peoples with different histories and pretty much nothing in common.
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tmptmpover 8 years ago
It&#x27;s not surprising. The left-liberal camp was always turning a blind eye towards many important national issues and importantly about the issue of Islam. This reminds me a talk given by Sam Harris about the blunder being done by left-liberals regarding their dishonest&#x2F;spineless treatment of Islam. His video titled &quot;Sam Harris : Liberals failure to talk honestly about Islam is responsible for the rise of Trump&quot; is very educational [1]. This [2] also is informative in this regard.<p>Even democratic supporter Bill Maher has said &quot;Bill Maher: I Wish Liberals Would Have Same Intolerance For Muslims That They Do For Christians&quot; [3]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=2YCWf0tHy7M" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=2YCWf0tHy7M</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.samharris.org&#x2F;islam" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.samharris.org&#x2F;islam</a> [3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=PL8rZTuGfZo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=PL8rZTuGfZo</a>
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gragasover 8 years ago
Does this not prove that &quot;diverse&quot; liberalism isn&#x27;t so diverse after all? Shouldn&#x27;t a diverse group of people have seen this coming?<p>Or is liberalism actually systematically excluding people by labelling them as &quot;racist&quot; and &quot;sexist&quot;, when in fact they&#x27;re just fiscal and social conservatives?
markharris99over 8 years ago
I am very happy that Trump won.<p>I thought it was very interesting looking at what states won.<p>Looking at CA and the East voting for Hillary and the rest of the country voting for Trump.<p>I think we should admit it. If you are rich and in tech, well of course you want to disrupt, you want to carry on that gravy train. But what about everyone else that exists? Not everyone can retrain. Even though retraining is a huge undertaking here. It&#x27;s simply not going to happen.<p>Also protecting ones borders is not xenophobic. Are Austrialia, Switzerland, New Zealand, Canada, Japan wrong for not allowing streams of illegals in? Look at Germany. Many who voted don&#x27;t want the US to become like that.<p>Finally, basic income. I hope we can all see this is dead. Like many other liberal dreams. I&#x27;m hoping for a new future for the US. Jobs and the end of this PC nonsense.<p>I do support diversity, but real diversity. Not at the expense of other people.
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throwaway274739over 8 years ago
This is absolutely horrifying. To know that there are so many rural, angry white men who are so driven by hatred. There are just no words. This is a huge win for racism, misogyny and hate. I just don&#x27;t know how this disgusting country is going to survive.
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smegelover 8 years ago
Every pollster&#x2F;pundit quit your job now.<p><i>Edit: I know, not EVERY one of them.</i>
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notliketherestover 8 years ago
God bless america!
knownover 8 years ago
Thanks to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bradley_effect" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bradley_effect</a>
doucheover 8 years ago
Scott Adams called it.
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zumpover 8 years ago
As an Indian in San Jose, I&#x27;m very scared. Am I going to be deported?
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CyberSkull5702over 8 years ago
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shomyoover 8 years ago
MAGA
knownover 8 years ago
Will US exit WTO under Trump regime?
maged07over 8 years ago
i don&#x27;t beleave
emblem21over 8 years ago
1076 comments?<p>I can literally say whatever I want and no one is going to flag or vote. Great.<p>Do you think Glass-Steagall liberalization or Silicon Valley brilliance made flyover-state citizens say &quot;Wow, thanks for innovating all of that technology to help Walmart bean counters find ways to keep price points for common goods low enough to justify why my boss pays me near minimum wage&quot;?<p>Or, maybe, do you think social media made flyover state citizens with no opportunity says &quot;WTF WHY DOES THE INTERNET THINK I AM AN INBRED RACIST SEXIST HOMOPHOBIC BIGOTED EVIL PERSON BECAUSE I DON&#x27;T THINK ELLEN IS ALL THAT FUNNY AND THEY DOGPILED ME ON TWITTER?&quot;<p>Disregard a population long enough and you&#x27;ll find they discover ways to hack your morality.
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baybal2over 8 years ago
Nya nya nya;)
legodtover 8 years ago
Well, time to finally arm the left
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myf01dover 8 years ago
Justice has been served.
imodeover 8 years ago
we know not what we&#x27;ve done, but we will soon.<p>the end of days is upon us, and I fear for us all.
greover 8 years ago
Washington Post is a hack publication that helped to elect Trump by printing so many anti-Bernie ads as articles.<p>Literally the worst in journalism.
chasingover 8 years ago
:-(
Beltirasover 8 years ago
Can we stop referring to the wisdom of crowds now?
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nxc18over 8 years ago
Our U.S. Democracy was the one and only thing I truly believed in.<p>Now I have nothing.
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MichaelBurgeover 8 years ago
Very nice! I voted for him in Oregon, so my state is one of the few holding out.
sorokodover 8 years ago
Peoples of eastern Europe may want to brush up on their Russian.
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baccheionover 8 years ago
WTF happened in the last 6 hours? Oh f*ck!
bignellover 8 years ago
I&#x27;m sorry, but if there were ever a time for the black bar, this is it.
royka118over 8 years ago
He did it his way can&#x27;t fault the man on that!
Rainymoodover 8 years ago
I&#x27;ve read somewhere that the president is the captain of a very large ship with a small rudder. Not sure how correct that is factually but it is somewhat reassuring.<p>To think that Donald Trump is possession of the nuclear codes, dear god...
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jimnotgymover 8 years ago
Libertarians of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your bigots. Lets put away national boundaries and show the world that the old order have become obsolete
grandalfover 8 years ago
Let&#x27;s use this as an opportunity to hold president Trump accountable in a way that we&#x27;ve failed to do for the past few decades. This <i>could</i> lead to unprecedented checks and balances and unprecedented democratic participation leading to a resurgence in the rule of law.
echelonover 8 years ago
And here I thought my Donald Trump TTS engine [1] would be irrelevant by Wednesday morning. I guess now I need to make it not sound like garbage.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jungle.horse" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jungle.horse</a>
ebcodeover 8 years ago
bear in mind this paper is now owned by jeff bezos, and the actual results are still not in yet<p>edit: bozos -&gt; bezos
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erikbover 8 years ago
Dear American friends, some info in case you need it: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bmi.bund.de&#x2F;EN&#x2F;Topics&#x2F;Migration-Integration&#x2F;Asylum-Refugee-Protection&#x2F;Asylum-Refugee-Protection_Germany&#x2F;asylum-refugee-policy-germany_node.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bmi.bund.de&#x2F;EN&#x2F;Topics&#x2F;Migration-Integration&#x2F;Asylu...</a>
kowdermeisterover 8 years ago
Finally, somebody who will guarantee the future of the internet. He will totally get net neturality and stuff.<p>[irony shield activated]
SFJulieover 8 years ago
Donald Trump is the president former european colons have elected on concern about immigration. What an irony.<p>Sioux, blackfeet, algonquins, montagnais, apache, yahi ... you are the real americans and the world is telling you Donald Trump is the president of a nation that once welcomed the pilgrims that were persecuted in Europa.<p>I guess thanksgiving meaning has been lost.<p>If only trump could be consistent and self kick all the white americans him included as illegal immigrants from the country.
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