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Slack’s top engineer suggests that Google do “blind assessments” for hiring

11 pointsby hvoover 8 years ago

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Eridrusover 8 years ago
I went and found Slack&#x27;s diversity report and they have more white people than anyone else mentioned in the article: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;slackhq.com&#x2F;inclusion-and-diversity-at-slack-e42f93845732#.caxjzqld1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;slackhq.com&#x2F;inclusion-and-diversity-at-slack-e42f938...</a> And even Google has more Women in engineering.<p>I&#x27;m not sure if they&#x27;re really in a position to be lecturing everyone, especially considering they&#x27;re burning money and running at a much smaller scale.<p>Interestingly, in the Ars comments someone made a good point about how these companies draw from an international pool of candidates, so maybe it&#x27;s not correct to compare their entire working populations to US ethnic demographics. I don&#x27;t know if these companies have this info, but it would be super interesting to get these statistics for employees who were born in the US or emigrated there as children.<p>Though the numbers on women would remain lackluster.<p>All of this makes me much more sympathetic to Facebook&#x27;s stance on this, that this is a pipeline problem. Only 18% of CS degrees are going to Women: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ngcproject.org&#x2F;statistics" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ngcproject.org&#x2F;statistics</a> Until we fix that, these companies will be fighting over the same pool of talent.
euyynover 8 years ago
&gt; “Google has such great facilities—Twitter has two or three cafes and so no one goes to spend money in mid-Market,” he said, referring to a section of downtown San Francisco where Twitter is based.<p>&gt; Similarly, many large Silicon Valley companies have in-house catering, daycare, and other amenities that make offices little self-contained communities that hardly require interaction with surrounding neighborhoods.<p>&gt; “Do we need to open up an office and have six cafes?&quot;<p>Obviously easier to do in the middle of San Francisco, than in zoning-nightmare Mountain View: Imagine 10k+ people trying to have lunch in the one and only pub around.
automatwonover 8 years ago
<i>They created this culture where people came from certain schools and certain backgrounds. That is a very, very hard culture to change.</i><p>What kind of &#x27;background&#x27;? Economic? Social? Education? They&#x27;re inter-related, yes, but for actionable initiatives to take place, the lack of diversity along these dimensions have to be isolated, acknowledged, and prioritized. Otherwise, it&#x27;s just recasting the problem and expecting companies to spit out answers. If Engineering schools became more diverse, I have no doubt there will be more diversity of engineers in the workforce, too. Without establishing diversity in these earlier funnels, such that people&#x27;s background are more diverse, companies will continue to have to &quot;overcompensate&quot; for diversity, as to avoid criticism.<p>In the case of these particular companies having a lack of diversity, I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s inherently a &#x27;culture&#x27; that has been formed, but more so about the network. Network and compound effects makes it harder for these companies to course-correct. A person&#x27;s set of friend is not a random sample. Potentially, people are more likely to form friendships with people from their own race &#x2F; culture. This is not to say they are discriminating or racist. An H1B worker who went to school in Asia will likely have a greater percentage of Asian friends, and by transitivity refer more Asian people. Again, if the earlier stages in the funnel, such as education, more diverse, maybe people will have a more diverse set of friends, in the aggregate, and refer a more diverse set of friends to their employer, in the aggregate.