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Dear Obama, from Infosec

144 pointsby rkcfover 8 years ago

15 comments

jack9over 8 years ago
&gt; Russia&#x27;s involvement is a huge issue<p>Not really. China&#x27;s been doing much more overt theft and hacking for years. If you think this is huge issue, you aren&#x27;t paying attention. Russia got information and then released it to the US public (which nobody wants to authenticate or disavow). I consider this more of a good than a harm.
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rkcfover 8 years ago
Before the GRIZZLY STEPPE report I found myself asking where the proof for the insinuations of a Russian hack to influence the US elections was. I still ask that question after the report was released. I find it completely plausible. However, given the turbulence and hyper-partisanship of this election cycle, I need a bit more than &#x27;It was the Russians because we say so&#x27;.
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nlover 8 years ago
Bloody Hell.<p>I find it very frustrating that intelligent people don&#x27;t seem to follow through their thought process here.<p>The intelligence community will <i>never</i> be able to release enough information to satisfy people. The information will either be so non-specific as to be useless (&quot;we had spies who told us&quot; - would anyone here believe that anymore than they do now?), or so specific it will damage ongoing interests (&quot;We have communication intercepts between the hacking groups and the GRU&#x2F;FSB, and there they are, and here is how we got them&quot; - it&#x27;s likely there are actual humans involved in that process who will die if they are exposed).<p>It&#x27;s fair to argue that this issue is <i>so important</i> that burning some resources is worth it, but no one is taking that angle.<p>Don&#x27;t mistake this for defending the US report though. It was <i>terrible</i> and made the situation much more confused. Before the report it was much clearer that Russian groups (either government or non-government) were involved, and now people are (incorrectly) questioning even that because of the pathetic report that was produced.<p>It&#x27;s much more interesting to discuss the shared conclusion was formed that &quot;the Russians&quot; were trying to throw the election to Trump (rather than just to sow chaos).
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yakcyllover 8 years ago
Pardon my ignorance, but as a non-American, I still have no bloody clue what the election hacking was about.<p>That, plus, it shouldn&#x27;t matter who has done it, since (especially if it was Russia) they most likely won&#x27;t be persecuted for it. What the focus should be put on is making sure this won&#x27;t happen again - but that the general public isn&#x27;t very interested in.
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hartatorover 8 years ago
Assange repeatably - and again tonight - said he was sure it wasn&#x27;t Russia.<p>I think it&#x27;s worth something to consider the main visible actor opinion.
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tomohawkover 8 years ago
The following is a a good fact sheet that puts the hacks in context with some others, and contains some details that don&#x27;t seem to be reported on:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sharylattkisson.com&#x2F;eight-facts-on-the-russian-hacks&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sharylattkisson.com&#x2F;eight-facts-on-the-russian-hacks...</a><p>For example, Wikileaks says that they did not get the info from Russia, and this is corroborated by the former British ambassador.
losvedirover 8 years ago
This story is so frustrating. I feel like this is my &quot;Gell-Mann Amnesia&quot; moment, and it&#x27;s turning me off from WaPo, NYTimes, NPR, and all the sources I used to read.<p>It&#x27;s so bizarre to me how big this story has become only <i>now</i> when the DNC hacks themselves were done back in June. It&#x27;s certainly hit a fever pitch since Trump&#x27;s election, but I can&#x27;t tell if that&#x27;s from his tweeting and provocation, or from the Democrats angst at losing the election and trying to save face.<p>Regardless, compared to China hacking us and stealing our fighter jet plans or the data breach of 18 million personnel records from OPM, compromising the DNC and releasing some authentic but mildly embarrassing emails seems so... minor, I guess. Every time people say &quot;hacking the election&quot; it makes me so frustrated since it minimizes the very <i>real</i> fear of <i>actual</i> election hacking the more we&#x27;re moving to electronic voting machines, that Bruce Schneier talks about. It&#x27;s also no surprise that half[0] of Clinton voters believe &quot;hacking the election&quot; means that Russia actually fucking tampered with the vote tallies now.<p>Surely any impact of the DNC email release months ago was minor compared to say, Comey re-opening the Clinton case right before the election. And I dunno, does an article in the BBC or The Economist count as foreign influence? What about the Snowden leaks to The Guardian?<p>The evidence that APT28&#x2F;29 were in the DNC servers is <i>moderately</i> compelling, I think. I can&#x27;t find the data on the connection between APT28&#x2F;29 and GRU&#x2F;FSB, though. In any case, it&#x27;s clear Russia <i>could</i> have not left a trace if they were so inclined. Maybe they didn&#x27;t think it was such a big deal so they were a little sloppy? Certainly, a priori, it&#x27;s hard to imagine the amount of attention releasing DNC and Podesta emails would have gotten.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;today.yougov.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;12&#x2F;27&#x2F;belief-conspiracies-largely-depends-political-iden&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;today.yougov.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;12&#x2F;27&#x2F;belief-conspiracies...</a>
exabrialover 8 years ago
Sorry, come again, what part of the election did &#x27;Russia&#x27; hack again? I thought it was a private organization.
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jaboutboulover 8 years ago
First of all this piece should be lauded and it is this type of transparency that ALL administrations should adhere too. Granted without revealing sensitive sources.<p>Second, the Russians didn&#x27;t hack the election. As far as we&#x27;ll all know, no voting machines were compromised. It may have been some email accounts of campaign officials (about which Wikileaks has already publicly stated the leaks didn&#x27;t come from Russia). So starting off with the propagandist and frankly bullshit headline &quot;Russia hacked the election&quot; is in and of itself already portraying an extremely false narrative. Dangerous. Very dangerous.
peterwwillisover 8 years ago
Does anyone here think that Russia would not try to influence our elections if they had the chance?<p>I guess i&#x27;m confused as to why we should care if they did. Even if Trump didn&#x27;t win through fair elections, he was still nominated by us. I think that&#x27;s damning enough to say we deserve him.
xname2over 8 years ago
Did Russians tell DNC chairwoman to leak debate questions to the HRC team? Did Russians tell DNC to backstab Bernie Sanders? It is so crazy that democrats and liberal main stream media are trying so hard to avoid discussing the real problem. And they truly believe that people are stupid enough to no seeing which problem is more important.
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msimpsonover 8 years ago
I have this argument almost every day. Thanks for writing it down.
GrumpyNlover 8 years ago
Its so simple. Know the difference between hacking and leaking.
wbillingsleyover 8 years ago
Realistically, &quot;Russia tried to access US politicians&#x27; emails&quot; isn&#x27;t news. Surely that has been true every day of every week for at least twenty years.<p>And realistically, the public is not likely to be surprised by it either. It&#x27;s barely 3 years since we found out the NSA spied on the United Nations, its own allies, and the Pope. And every day the news is full of western governments wanting to legislate back doors into our iPhones so they can read all our emails. Did anyone think notorious bad guy Putin would have his spy agencies twiddling their thumbs thinking &quot;no, we mustn&#x27;t - it&#x27;d be wrong&quot;?<p>&quot;Foreign government tried to influence our election&quot; has probably lost a lot of its sting too, since Obama weighed in on the Brexit referendum, and every world politician and their dog weighed in on what they thought of Trump.<p>Honestly, I don&#x27;t think much of the public cares how Podesta&#x27;s emails got released, any more than they care how Trump&#x27;s open-mike tape got released. And embarrassment aside, I doubt the public thinks any of the leaks had much impact on the result. I imagine much of the public muttering &quot;Trump&#x27;s a letch, the Democrat higher-ups and parts of the media have a love-in, and politicians think of the public as a mixture of easily-led minions and ignoramuses. Yup, we&#x27;d pretty much guessed that already...&quot;<p>I think the &quot;news&quot; in this is why a famously competent, articulate, and measured president (Obama) is being a bit ham-fisted in his response, suddenly upping the reaction quite late in the day.<p>If I can theorise for a mo -<p>The Democrats, and parts of the Republican party, are still coming to terms with the surprise that they didn&#x27;t win, and therefore believe that surely they will be back in power in four years&#x27; time. So they want to make it as hard as possible for Trump to deviate from longstanding policy in the meantime.<p>Moving to taking a hard diplomatic line on China and a soft line on Russia (rather than the other way around) would be a huge strategic shift from past policy, that would be quite hard to unpick. For nearly 40 years, the US strategic position has been to reach out to China, and that the US&#x27;s chief strategic opponent has been Russia.<p>I wonder if the Democrats and GOP are starting to come to grips with where Trump&#x27;s views really are a bit of a departure from the recent past:<p>- he&#x27;s decided many of the things the US and Russia compete on these days aren&#x27;t especially important to the US&#x27;s interests, so it&#x27;s not worth considering them the US&#x27;s biggest opponent<p>- he&#x27;s decided that the way to argue&#x2F;posture with China on points of difference is to use the economy (eg, threat of tariffs) and more belligerent diplomacy (eg, threat of recognising Taiwain), rather than the military (eg, Freedom of navigation operations)<p>- he&#x27;s decided the US should stop trying to act as an altruistic international arbiter, and instead attach unswerving value to being the US&#x27;s friend (eg, moving embassy in Israel to Jerusalem)<p>And of course, he seems to think the US is in a position where it can be a bit of a dick about things if it wants to. For most of us, we have to be nice people to work with or people won&#x27;t work with us. But I guess if you&#x27;re the US it&#x27;s quite hard for people to say &quot;well I won&#x27;t work with the world&#x27;s biggest economy then&quot;.
kgdineshover 8 years ago
Thanks Obama.