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#define CTO OpenAI

253 pointsby samaover 8 years ago

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openthrowawAIover 8 years ago
This story makes it crystal clear how much openAI is accelerating research, for now mostly on reinforcement learning.<p>I&#x27;m sure this is talked about over and over again, but could someone please lead us through the AI safety rationale behind this? With gym and universe openAI is slashing a few months (years?) off the singularity countdown, most likely. What&#x27;s the upshot? Why is the expected value of these initiatives positive? The uncertainties seem extremely large.<p>Edit&#x2F;PS: To put it more bluntly, and be more specific: are there any projects that openAI is choosing NOT to pursue even though they would be very useful&#x2F;cool for the research community (à la gym and universe), but where it has had to explicitly restrain itself, because the expected value from an AI safety perspective is negative?
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jkrause314over 8 years ago
I think there&#x27;s a bug: this replaces all occurrences of &#x27;CTO&#x27; with &#x27;OpenAI&#x27;.
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ChuckMcMover 8 years ago
Nicely put together, sounds like the first place in a long time where I simultaneously would love to apply and feel completely intimidated by what is clearly a really amazing team of people.<p>Guess I need to figure out how to get more ML papers published!
agibsoncccover 8 years ago
Congrats on the success so far Greg. Watching the progress has been great. Being a bit involved with gym and also the unconf has given me a peek in to how things are run and I have to say - it&#x27;s a startup. It evolves fast and isn&#x27;t afraid to take calculated risks. That&#x27;s a great thing to have for something as open ended as what you guys are trying to do.<p>It looks like a blast and I will continue to keep an eye on things. I used your previous post to help define a lot of the scope of my position for myself. I look forward to seeing more of this story unfold.
Drdrdrqover 8 years ago
Nice write-up - it makes me wish I lived in SF (or USA for that matter) so I could apply for a job there.
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charris0over 8 years ago
I really enjoyed reading this journey! inspiring and motivating to hear people centered around a common goal with a unique and forward thinking team structure.<p>It made me reflect on my best moments in software development and how they have been similar short bouts of intensity.. weekend long to 2 week long periods of intense and undivided focus at progressing a task through to completion, time where every other concern fades away, a flow state where I will wake up immediately with new ideas or problem solve in the shower.<p>Sure, that level of concentration is unsustainable for the long run, but this article has made me consider that I may have to structure my life around being able to repeat these kinds of stints more often, &#x27;embrace your funk&#x27; as some would say!
faceyspaceyover 8 years ago
i think they can advance computers&#x27; capabilities, but they will never create consciousness without first understanding consciousness. From my perspective--if there goal is as lofty as it is regarding achieving singularity and all that--they are going about this from the wrong angle. Perhaps it&#x27;s nice to fuel the ego with the concept that you&#x27;re safely ushering in the singularity, but I see it as more of a spiritual and psychological conquest. And if that&#x27;s the case, you&#x27;re likely on more of a path of personal learning, evolution and growth, rather than building the underpinnings of a future idiocracy.<p>I think all these guys have gotten ahead of themselves and are dealing with things they are the least suited to understand. This is spiritual stuff, no amount of obsessing and hiding behind your computer screen getting high on delusions of grandeur are gonna do the introspection for them, which is an absolute prerequisite to having any understanding of consciousness.<p>I look forward to automation though. Just know the singularity is not coming any time soon, if ever. It&#x27;s funny to watch guys who are basically atheists like Ray Kurzweil with very little spiritual experience think they are playing god.<p>Have these people ever consciously astral projected or even tried? I mean these are people who typically doubt that stuff. However, my perspective is: if they aren&#x27;t living in that world--i.e. the world of consciousness explorers, the mystical, where astral projection is possible, reading the many books by spiritual journeyman like Robert Monroe, etc--they have a major blindspot. The most they will ever do is build a computer able to pick ripe fruit or avoid hitting other cars. This is hardly consciousness. I mean as a percentage of the capabilities of consciousness, it&#x27;s like .00001%. Consciousness is creating ideas. And that&#x27;s maybe just one aspect of consciousness. No amount of machine learning will take the place of the higher truth of our reality system that makes such creativity possible. You will have to attain that wisdom through dedication to the spiritual path, and even then, it&#x27;s likely not something you can just hand out to anyone--at least not in a way that will be effective for the recipient. You see what I&#x27;m saying? You won&#x27;t unless you&#x27;ve pursued spirituality and had a few mystical experience of your own. ..Next: say you attain that piece of wisdom--the way the reality system works is not so you can easily just automate it. And if you can because you have now become a consciousness creator, well then, it&#x27;s likely not automated through machinery, but through more biological and mental&#x2F;telepathic means. Now, you either know exactly what I&#x27;m talking about or you have a bunch of doubt to cast--for what I&#x27;m saying is breaking down your own beliefs, and that&#x27;s not comfortable for you--but if you do know what I&#x27;m saying, then you know the people behind this OpenAI initiative won&#x27;t be able to achieve their aims. I wish them the best of luck though, and look forward to advancements in machine learning. I think they would be more productive if they understood what they were up against though. It would allow them to set more realistic goals--or perhaps set them on a path do the spiritual introspective work first.