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George Orwell’s 1984 is currently the top selling book on Amazon

830 pointsby finidover 8 years ago

54 comments

nooberminover 8 years ago
While I love 1984, I think Fahrenheit 451 has become more true than Orwell&#x27;s novel. People have willingly given into an information bonanza that is the internet, with headphones always in (seashells). We don&#x27;t need the TV walls, as our cellphone has taken that role, altogether with the hyperactive delivery of such content.<p>A collectivist state has not become the dominating power, but wealthy individuals and corporations have, although with similar results--while that part wasn&#x27;t really part of Montag&#x27;s universe, the part that is is that we have given up to the &quot;firemen&quot; on our own freewill, because it fits our narrative or it&#x27;s our safe space.<p>Nonetheless, I am very optimistic. I think for all the faults that the internet and mobiles and social networks and globalization has wrought us, the world today still is a better world it was say 20 or 30 years ago. When ontop of oscillations, they are never obvious from the vantage point of a single wiggle. I still feel that despite many of the shortcomings of the previous few decades and years and months, we can still arrive on net at a better place than we were yesterday.
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belochover 8 years ago
I must admit, I&#x27;m really confused by how impeachment works in the U.S.. Clinton was impeached for perjury and abuse of power because he took advantage of his position (and a political intern) and then lied about it.<p>Now we have a president who is not giving up his business interests while in office and who has already told some absolute whoppers, including the release of official press releases that were nothing but &quot;alternative facts&quot;. Why tell such obvious falsehoods? We&#x27;re all laughing (nervously) now because the lies seem to be harmless, self-serving vain ones. However, is Trump just a little insane, or is he actually finding out who is willing to say &quot;We&#x27;ve always been at war with Eurasia&quot; and who isn&#x27;t?<p>This is probably a good time for people to be reading 1984.
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bbctolover 8 years ago
Orwell&#x27;s work beside 1984 is better (in the sense of more complex&#x2F;relevant to our time, not as entertaining.) In particular, his writing on the Spanish Civil War has seemed relevant today:<p>&quot;I know it is the fashion to say that most of recorded history is lies anyway. I am willing to believe that history is for the most part inaccurate and biased, but what is peculiar to our own age is the abandonment of the idea that history could be truthfully written. In the past people deliberately lied, or they unconsciously coloured what they wrote, or they struggled after the truth, well knowing that they must make many mistakes; but in each case they believed that ‘facts’ existed and were more or less discoverable. And in practice there was always a considerable body of fact which would have been agreed to by almost everyone. If you look up the history of the last war in, for instance, the Encyclopaedia Britannica, you will find that a respectable amount of the material is drawn from German sources. A British and a German historian would disagree deeply on many things, even on fundamentals, but there would still be that body of, as it were, neutral fact on which neither would seriously challenge the other. It is just this common basis of agreement, with its implication that human beings are all one species of animal, that totalitarianism destroys.&quot;<p>1984 is largely about the surveillance state and oppression, with a bit at the end about Orwell&#x27;s views on truth; for those who say 1984 was a worse predictor of the future than Fahrenheit 451, I say the idea of the destruction of truth was more important than the methods anyway.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;orwell.ru&#x2F;library&#x2F;essays&#x2F;Spanish_War&#x2F;english&#x2F;esw_1" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;orwell.ru&#x2F;library&#x2F;essays&#x2F;Spanish_War&#x2F;english&#x2F;esw_1</a>
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Mikeb85over 8 years ago
Kind of ironic given Bush and Obama were the ones to expand the surveillance state, Hillary demonised the shit out of Russia to try create an enemy&#x2F;scapegoat, and here Trump is, only a few days in power, not having done anything particularly bad.<p>Also, I should add - for Democrats out there who keep trying to compare Trump to Hitler, say he&#x27;s fascist, etc... That weak rhetoric is what gave you guys your worst election result in what, 80 years? The more you cry foul over nothing, the less people will actually believe it. Just an outsider&#x27;s opinion after an entertaining and somewhat perplexing election.
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dpwebover 8 years ago
Its right to question which direction the country is headed, but i have to wonder what damage is being done to the nation&#x27;s psyche with all the apocolyptic imagery. What&#x27;s it like to feel in constant crisis. It makes people scared all the time and drives divisiveness. Its as dangerous as anything the prez may have planned.
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kylelibraover 8 years ago
Also highly relevant is Aldous Huxley&#x27;s Brave New World: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Brave_New_World" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Brave_New_World</a>
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nickffover 8 years ago
It also had a (possibly smaller) resurgence after the Snowden revelations.[1] I only wish that Orwell&#x27;s masterpiece was better understood and appreciated.<p>In addition, I should point out that the book&#x27;s title is &quot;Nineteen Eighty-Four&quot;, not &quot;1984&quot;.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nydailynews.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;national&#x2F;1984-rockets-amazon-bestseller-list-article-1.1371606" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nydailynews.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;national&#x2F;1984-rockets-amazon...</a>
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Natsuover 8 years ago
Just hope it doesn&#x27;t get deleted from your Kindles again.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2009&#x2F;07&#x2F;18&#x2F;technology&#x2F;companies&#x2F;18amazon.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2009&#x2F;07&#x2F;18&#x2F;technology&#x2F;companies&#x2F;18ama...</a>
pinewurstover 8 years ago
More people need to read Sinclair Lewis&#x27; &quot;It Can&#x27;t Happen Here&quot; (1935) which I didn&#x27;t take so seriously when I first read it in high school.
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robbiepover 8 years ago
1984 is out of copyright in Australia and many other countries so you can grab it from project gutenberg for free
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banku_broughamover 8 years ago
This is amazing. The womens marches over the weekend and these seem to be an indicator of a very sudden awakening.
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KON_Airover 8 years ago
Isn&#x27;t it a bit too late to read 1984? I&#x27;d say it is too late get into cyberpunk too, because most if not all of those &quot;warnings&quot; came and passed largely unnoticed. It is quite pitiful &quot;waking up to the corporate state&quot; just because &quot;not-our-candidate&quot; won, while living in one for past 2-3 decades.
Animatsover 8 years ago
The 1954 movie version is on YouTube.[1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ajWC_J-jgLc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ajWC_J-jgLc</a>
andrewclunnover 8 years ago
Wait, so the &quot;#1 bestselling&quot; of something can just mean for that day? They might as well call it a trending list at that point.
sicularsover 8 years ago
1984 and Brave New World are my all time double plus good books. We&#x27;ve been gradually sliding towards those worlds over the last number of decades, regardless of Trump. If nothing comes of this election but stronger protections around all sorts of freedoms then I&#x27;ll be happy for it even if just by way of grassroots demand from the general public through awareness and engagement.<p>I really do hope this election increases citizen participation in the public sphere.
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EasyTiger_over 8 years ago
Do we really need Trump news on HN. I&#x27;ve left Reddit because of the political insanity there, I&#x27;m hoping it doesn&#x27;t come here too.
james_niroover 8 years ago
This book is available for free download through archive.org<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;Orwell1984preywo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;Orwell1984preywo</a>
inopinatusover 8 years ago
The recursive irony is strong, could only be increased if the &quot;Customers Also Bought&quot; included <i>The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism</i>, E. Goldstein, Brotherhood Press 1949.
yCloserover 8 years ago
I agree with Isaac Asimov (review: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newworker.org&#x2F;ncptrory&#x2F;1984.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newworker.org&#x2F;ncptrory&#x2F;1984.htm</a>)
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EJTHover 8 years ago
Nice! Maybe people will stop comparing the current state of things to 1984, when they actually read it...
beezischillinover 8 years ago
I think 1984 painted a scary, but important fictional picture of what life behind the iron curtain was like, several similar books attempted to deal with the issues of 20th century life in similar fashion, but I think it should be recognized that much of this is no longer as applicable to the discussion we should be having -- the post modern situation has become way more subtle in its presence, despite the loud and brash way it&#x27;s presented.<p>An interesting book I read recently about a relatable topic is home the book Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible by Peter Pomerantsev, about early 2000s Russia and the oil boom years, the role of the media, young money, memetic content created by the media and the way all of that affects population, it&#x27;s scary and some of it kind of can be seen reflecting back on today&#x27;s western society as well.<p>I just wish (and was secretly hoping for) that media and oppositional politics recognized the role they played in this fiasco and tried to change their behaviour up to try and change it. I seem to be wrong, sadly.<p>We&#x27;re jumping from one nice sounding headline to the next one (like this one!) and we&#x27;re ignoring much of the actual discussion we should be having, because this is more convenient. It kind of hurts to a large majority being aware of the issues and then just pressing on, choosing to ignore it, because it&#x27;s more convenient to share a dumb meme about numbers, complain about alternative facts or to watch SNL.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t say that this is the end of the leading role of western civilisation in the world (I am not smart enough to make such statements), but it really seems to me that we are opening up our weaknesses to foreign powers that will try hard to exploit them and it&#x27;s a pretty damaging process.<p>&#x2F;rant
thinkMOARover 8 years ago
And if you like this book, you will probably like Netflix series, Black Mirror
gits1225over 8 years ago
Fun fact: Mark Zuckerberg is born in 1984 : )
myf01dover 8 years ago
Maybe the Americans are just over-dramatic
mk89over 8 years ago
More than Orwell&#x27;s 1984, I think that people should start reading about <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Anacyclosis" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Anacyclosis</a> - a very old concept which unfortunately keeps repeating itself.
nymover 8 years ago
Buy one and give it to someone else.
ThomPeteover 8 years ago
I think what the careful reader of 1984 will realize is that the book is perfectly good at explaining not just Trump but most other politicians.
happycubeover 8 years ago
... ironically(?), at this moment, a post on the USA previously having 4 billion chestnut trees is #4 while this is #1.
SloughFegover 8 years ago
Doublethink is pervasive in a lot of modern thought. Hopefully this trend will make people evaluate it a bit more.
sochixover 8 years ago
Here you can Download it for FREE and search through the full-version of the book <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ambardemo.rdseventeen.com&#x2F;?query=1984&amp;doSearch=true" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ambardemo.rdseventeen.com&#x2F;?query=1984&amp;doSearch=true</a>
EleventhSunover 8 years ago
I would actually argue that what we have today is worse than 1984. If you read the book, the protagonists have economic security&#x2F;stability, even if in a totalitarian government. We have both nightmare spying AND economic insecurity.
satyajeet23over 8 years ago
Becoming more relevant by the day.<p>&quot;In a time of deciet, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.&quot;
buro9over 8 years ago
The strangest tangent from reading this article.<p>&gt; George only has the new administration to thank<p>But George has been under the Earth for the longest time hasn&#x27;t he? He couldn&#x27;t be thankful for anything any more. Off to Wikipedia I go, yup since 1950 from tuberculosis.<p>But a section on the article mentions the his homophobia, and so I read that because I find it surprising that it&#x27;s mentioned when it was the norm at the time and seems like some kind of revisionism.<p>That then leads to a segue on phrasing Orwell used in 1984 to describe the &quot;nancy left&quot; or &quot;pansies&quot;, and the presence in the Chestnut Tree (at the end of the book) gay men.<p>Then another segue to David Bowie and his last album which contains &quot;Girl Loves Me&quot; as it references the Chestnut Tree and contains polari... and this morning on BBC 6 Music I had heard a long forgotten Morrissey track that was on an album called Bona Drag, and when I put the album on over breakfast I listened to the opening track &quot;Piccadilly Palare&quot; and some of the same strange phrases were present as in the Bowie track, and now I also recognise them from having read 1984 (except Orwell was using the slang phrases pejoratively).<p>A further segue as I remembered that Lucky Lisp from the same album has references also to polari, and on the Orwell wikipedia page there was a mention of the Chestnut Tree scene again, and how Orwell included a lisp for the &quot;Nancy&quot; characteristics which he identifies in detail and with &quot;some disgust&quot;.<p>And this leads to the most fascinating Wiki discovery of the day: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gay_lisp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gay_lisp</a> . The tested hypothesis being that sexual orientation of men can be determined from how gay men phonate their s&#x27;s distinctively to the degree that measurements of guesses were accurate beyond a rate that could be chance.<p>The rabbit hole goes deep when one strays onto Wikipedia.
3chelonover 8 years ago
This is double-plus-plus-plus ungood, as either Trump or Big Brother might say.<p>Seriously, I have pointed out before that Trump seems to have actually learnt the rules of Newspeak with terrifying effectiveness.
faceyspaceyover 8 years ago
I can&#x27;t help but perceive this as being a result of people thinking Trump is somehow kickstarting our Orwellian future&#x2F;present, when he&#x27;s probably the highest profile person to point out how government before him has been working on this plan of ultimate control for a very long time. The biggest examples being:<p>1) that he pointed out there were no weapons of mass destruction and--false flag or not--our government used that to manipulate our perceptions to perpetrate an atrocity.<p>2) the supposed Russian cyber attack; he&#x27;s one of the few that spoke out against the lack of evidence and that the US Intelligence report was propaganda. That document was so obviously propaganda--I read the whole thing and there wasn&#x27;t even one word such as &quot;system log&quot; regarding what was redacted. For my purposes, it doesn&#x27;t matter that he spoke out against it solely because it served him to do so.<p>So not that Trump won&#x27;t continue more of the same control tactics or do more, but as we all know as programmers when we break things, only to rebuild them better: things almost always gotta get worse before they get better. I&#x27;m under no delusion that Trump in it&#x2F;himself will be good for us, but if it finally unveils the lies and false flag politics&#x2F;acts that have been far more harmful to society, I&#x27;m all for it.<p>The problem has been we have politicians that knowingly manipulate us and have another &quot;face&quot; behind the scenes. There is clearly some Machiavellian things going on behind the scenes. In addition, I don&#x27;t blame headlining politicians. Clearly US Intelligence has a stronghold over them--either directly or indirectly through manipulating their perception just as ours.<p>Our country has clearly been on a decide path of the following 2-fold strategy:<p>1) project strength no matter what 2) convince us it&#x27;s for higher ideals to maintain the perception of being the &quot;good guy&quot;<p>That&#x27;s all it boils down to. It&#x27;s looking like the US Government has killed about 1 million people in the middle east since 9&#x2F;11. The numbers I&#x27;ve heard for Vietnam were 3.5 million. We&#x27;re talking people that are basically defending their land here. And against the biggest military force the world has ever seen. In other words, in comparison, these victims were all civilians. The &quot;Dominos&quot; never fell, and ISIS is a small fraction of muslim people in the middle east. It&#x27;s also very clear that ISIS is a result of our actions. What they are up to is retribution, not an attack on american ideals. We are talking highly religious people who see everything through a religious lens, so of course the way they are going to communicate their mission is that of a religion one--but at the core of it is anger and hatred that we invaded them, destroyed their land, dominated them and tried to control them. How would we feel if an invading force from across the world made our home a warzone--we wouldn&#x27;t be like &quot;well, it&#x27;s for higher ideals, we&#x27;ll just let this slide.&quot; Yea right. America seems incapable of putting ourselves in the shoes of others.<p>As if human lives and suffering isn&#x27;t enough (well, it obviously isn&#x27;t if it is far away), we are now paying the debt from both Bush administrations for years to come. Numbers I read stated that 72% of our national debt is from the 2 Bush presidents. We are currently paying $250 billion per year for those wars. By 2020 the numbers suggest it will be $500 billion per year. The numbers also stated that&#x27;s 6% in 2015 and 12% in 2020 of where the taxpayer money will be going to. Over however many years to pay that back, that&#x27;s enough money to have revamped our education system, invested in R&amp;D and lived up to the potential we once had. Techcrunch just last week said the government is only investing $86 billion in tech investments. Imagine if that was $500 billion year after year.<p>Now all that said, I agree that the perception republicans and Trump portray of america being in shambles is far from accurate. What I think is accurate is that we aren&#x27;t living up to our potential and we don&#x27;t have the economic acceleration we had before. People can feel that. That&#x27;s a problem. What&#x27;s also a problem is that the numbers for unemployment which are good and other positive figures seem to primarily reflect improvements for the lower class. It is a major problem if the middle class isn&#x27;t benefiting similarly. These are the people most invested into the system, paying the most taxes into it, and things have gotten harder for them.<p>So in conclusion, conspiracies aside (of which many are likely true), we have sacrificed much to project strength. I don&#x27;t believe in believing what I can&#x27;t see for myself, but I clearly see that projecting strength is the core of our philosophy. I believe it&#x27;s an incomplete (as well as aging) viewpoint. For one, it&#x27;s where all civilizations go to die as they overextend themselves through military and far-reaching interests (history teaches us that--do we have to be the next Roman empire?). But secondly, perhaps its just enough to be able to defend yourself when push comes to shove. We have the buttons to press, which few others have--do we really need to be a military presence everywhere, especially now in this digitally connected world which devalues actual physical presence?<p>So it&#x27;s my conclusion that we have created more harm than good; we have created enemies. We can hide behind ideals, and frame others as the bad guys--but, for example, how much militarism has Russia really shown since WW2? And compare that to how much we have shown. I deal with Russian developers all the time--they seem to be participating in a form of capitalism not too different than ours. It&#x27;s almost as if we need a bad guy to make us look like the good guy. Is Russia a staple of our perception control? I think so. From what I&#x27;ve researched, Gorbachev wanted to do a major dis-armament deal and the Reagan administration turned them down. Why? For one, we don&#x27;t want to disarm, but 2, Reagan had too much riding on his Star Wars plan, and 3, that would make Russia look like the good guy. Did you hear Obama&#x27;s last address about a month ago--he said &quot;Come on, Putin was the head of the KGB...&quot;, implying he was such an evil foe. So what, are they not entitled to have an intelligence group too? George HW Bush was the head of the CIA. How is being the head of the KGB somehow meant to imply he&#x27;s evil. Consistency is why. Consistency of message. Clearly, the US Government needs to keep justifying their lie&#x2F;thread that Russia is so evil. It&#x27;s the same as in every day life: if you acknowledge a mistake, you actually acknowledge the chain of mistakes that lead up to it. America simply isn&#x27;t ready to acknowledge our past mistakes. Other countries have called for us to apologize for Vietnam. Is apologizing for something so big easy to do, not to mention costly? So going down this path of righting our wrongs would bring up a bunch of dirty laundry. So we have to continue our lies. The powers that be--besides seeing the world completely differently--would never backtrack and exhibit what they perceive as weakness. I however think it could be a moment of strength for humanity.
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donretagover 8 years ago
Amazon Best Sellers: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;gp&#x2F;bestsellers&#x2F;books&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;gp&#x2F;bestsellers&#x2F;books&#x2F;</a>
lngnmnover 8 years ago
Is it because of Putin or Trump?<p>If Trump then it should be the Atlas Shrugged instead.
nottorpover 8 years ago
You&#x27;re doing it wrong. You should get Brave New World instead.
lb1lfover 8 years ago
Orwell was an optimist.
AdamNover 8 years ago
People should also read Down and Out in Paris and London - a fantastic book about being a poor vagabond in England and France.
null4bl3over 8 years ago
It&#x27;s ironic that the CIA rakes in on that, since they have the publishing right for several of Orson Welles books
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likealcoholover 8 years ago
I don&#x27;t see a blog post about a best selling book, I just see a load of Amazon affiliate links everywhere.
bencollier49over 8 years ago
Someone was clearly using the arithmetic from 1984 in the inauguration attendance figures. 2+2=5, indeed.
libeclipseover 8 years ago
That&#x27;s strange, I just bought the book off Amazon yesterday. Coincidences, coincidences.
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ReganKoopmansover 8 years ago
&quot;The worst kind dystopia story is one that&#x27;s easy to believe&quot;
gigatexalover 8 years ago
It&#x27;s a good book. Especially the book-in-a-book part with the manifesto.
majortennisover 8 years ago
I bought it for a friend this year on Amazon, she still hasn&#x27;t read it
rbanffyover 8 years ago
Who would imagine Donald Trump would cause a surge in reading...
luggover 8 years ago
Pretty amazing a public domain book is still selling so well.
loliveover 8 years ago
You should also read &quot;Propaganda&quot; by Edward Berneys.
kazinatorover 8 years ago
It&#x27;s properly called <i>Nineteen Eighty-Four</i>.
stevenmaysover 8 years ago
Customers also bought: Anthem by Ayn Rand. Irony.
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tu7001over 8 years ago
It&#x27;s not an instruction manual...
ElectronChargeover 8 years ago
The most amazing thing to me is that the 0bama administration was very good at Orwellian manipulation, yet it was rarely remarked upon.<p>I mean, the guy got a Nobel Peace Prize, then proceeded with eight years of undeclared war on many different countries. &quot;Droning&quot; became a verb...
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