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When you say “Free Speech,” you likely mean “Rights and Responsibilities”

4 pointsby markhendersonover 8 years ago

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iamdaveover 8 years ago
I&#x27;ve been thinking a lot about this in the wake of the guy getting clocked on live TV, Richard Spencer-and the resulting fallout of people in my immediate circles openly cheering this behavior on.<p>Having long considered myself a moderate &quot;leftist&quot;, the people I grew up thinking were the ones who stood at the vanguard of &quot;Supporting free speech&quot;. I&#x27;m wondering what kind of road we&#x27;re putting ourselves on where pre-emptive violence is acceptable in the face of uncomfortable ideas and disturbing information.<p>I recently lost a very near and dear friend on the topic of Spencer, not because we disagreed but because despite all attempts to talk about the matter reasonably with someone that I&#x27;ve had numerous spirited and intense, but always reasoned and respectful debates with-took the &quot;go fuck yourself&quot; route in response to my &quot;I disagree with his ideas, but I also disagree with bestowing physical violence upon him for <i>having</i> those ideas&quot;. His response could be boiled down to a paraphrasing from the TV show Archer: &quot;Do you want Nazi&#x27;s? Because that&#x27;s how you get Nazi&#x27;s&quot;.<p>And I&#x27;m seeing this mentality echoed across multiple circles. It feels like the evolution of some of the things people talked about early on when they would call people &quot;SJW&#x27;s&quot;. Of course a reasonable person wouldn&#x27;t be against social justice, but it&#x27;s hard to critique some of the hostility the people that moniker is attached to without <i>someone</i> invariably coming along and accusing you of being some sort of -ist as if your critique of <i>behavior</i> is carte blanche critique of <i>progress</i>.<p>It wasn&#x27;t our disagreement that made me walk away from the friendship, but his hostility toward the disagreement. Is this what the left is turning into?
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angersockover 8 years ago
Popehat usually has better coverage on these things:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.popehat.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;03&#x2F;the-corruption-of-speech-has-consequences&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.popehat.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;11&#x2F;03&#x2F;the-corruption-of-speech-...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.popehat.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;12&#x2F;05&#x2F;cracked-drunkenly-paws-at-free-speech-theory-again&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.popehat.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;12&#x2F;05&#x2F;cracked-drunkenly-paws-at...</a>
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