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Incident Pit

68 pointsby v4n4d1sover 8 years ago

11 comments

gaiusover 8 years ago
Long time member of BSAC here. The classic example I use when describing this to students is torch batteries. If you&#x27;re at home and you notice that your dive light batteries are flat, no biggie, just swap them out. If you notice while on the boat that&#x27;s a bit more annoying, but the chances are someone will have a spare you can borrow, and if they don&#x27;t, you will have to miss the dive, which is unfortunate but you&#x27;re not in any danger. If you&#x27;re in the water, you can still call the dive (abort and return to the boat). But if you&#x27;re at 50m and entered a wreck and your buddy has just swum round a corner taking their light with them and you switch yours on and nothing happens, then you have the rest of your life to try and find the way out.<p>Same, seemingly trivial, failure, but very different consequences depending on at which point of the dive you notice it.<p>By the way I mainly dive with GUE now who mandate a primary light and two backups as part of standard kit!
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networkedover 8 years ago
Related is William Gibson&#x27;s idea of &quot;the Jackpot&quot;, or a &quot;multicausal appocalypse&quot;, where a large catastrophe is caused not by a single major factor but by several smaller ones accumulating and interacting over time. Gibson talks about it in <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;116132074" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;116132074</a>.<p>If this is the kind of thing you find interesting, you should also read How Complex Systems Fail (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.mit.edu&#x2F;2.75&#x2F;resources&#x2F;random&#x2F;How%20Complex%20Systems%20Fail.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.mit.edu&#x2F;2.75&#x2F;resources&#x2F;random&#x2F;How%20Complex%20Sys...</a>).
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JshWrightover 8 years ago
There is a specialized application of this concept that is sometimes used in airway management during anesthesia (specifically endotracheal intubation). It is referred to as the &quot;vortex&quot; approach (i.e. you don&#x27;t want to get get pulled into the vortex as the longer you spend there, the harder it is to get out).<p>There is a well produced reenactment of an anesthesia team falling victim to the &quot;vortex&quot; (resulting in fatal injury to their patient): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;103516601" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;103516601</a><p>In fire and EMS we generally refer to the concept of an &quot;accident chain&quot;. In any event where rescue personnel are injured or killed, there is a chain of events that had to take place leading up to that accident. Breaking the chain at any point would prevent the accident from occurring, and many of our procedures are built around the idea of breaking accident chains as early as possible. This is a concept that (as far as I know) originated in the aviation industry.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Chain_of_events_(aeronautics)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Chain_of_events_(aeronautics)</a><p>It&#x27;s the same basic idea though... The further along the chain you allow the event to progress (even if you don&#x27;t know the end result), the less margin for error you have.
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mjw1007over 8 years ago
Having a name for the concept seems helpful, but I don&#x27;t find that diagram in any way enlightening.
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drakenotover 8 years ago
I&#x27;ve been reading a sci-fi novel, &quot;Pushing Ice&quot; by Alastair Reynolds, and the &quot;Incident Pit&quot; term is used a lot in it.
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apiover 8 years ago
I think this accurately describes American history for the past 15 years and explains why establishment hate is so mainstream.<p>Iraq war, housing bubble, housing collapse, bailouts, rise of ISIS, student debt explosion, ...<p>Eventually there is a point where confidence is lost.
teh_klevover 8 years ago
For years I&#x27;ve used (and I&#x27;m most likely not the first to have coined this) the &quot;Gravity Well of Fail&quot; to describe situations that become increasingly more perilous due to badly chosen decision paths as time passes. I didn&#x27;t actually know about the term &quot;Incident Pit&quot;, or perhaps only vaguely remember this or a similar term from a couple of pals who are scuba divers.
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rdtscover 8 years ago
Accidentally delete some data. Panic, reach for backups. Restore fails and it removes more data and takes service off-line.
beefmanover 8 years ago
This Quanta article on research into predicting disease outcomes strikes me as related<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quantamagazine.org&#x2F;20160830-who-will-die-from-infection&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.quantamagazine.org&#x2F;20160830-who-will-die-from-in...</a>
bakingover 8 years ago
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maxericksonover 8 years ago
That&#x27;s also a great visualization of how we build our society.<p>Don&#x27;t fall off the track.