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Map showing the homeland of every character in Homer’s Iliad

120 pointsby juanplusjuanover 8 years ago

9 comments

PeterisPover 8 years ago
&quot;it was surprising to me how geographically widespread the hometowns of the characters were&quot;<p>On the contrary, that was quite unsurprising, because the story describes a fight of two large alliances, and talks about the lords and rulers of these places. It doesn&#x27;t talk about the local warriors e.g. Agamemnon was leading, but talks about the actual allies, the lords that joined each with their own armies.<p>In that time when Homer says &quot;Lord-A and Lord-B and Lord-C participated&quot; it&#x27;s the equivalent of modern &quot;Country-A and Country-B and Country-C participated&quot;. It&#x27;s not like the story is describing a band of adventurers, the both sides commonly represent pretty much the whole military might of the surrounding region at the time, and since there&#x27;s no centralization yet, each local &quot;warband&quot; is lead by their local &quot;kings&quot;&#x2F;warlords&#x2F;leaders&#x2F;nobles, who are named in the story.<p>The colored areas of the map are not just a homeland of random representative characters, but the &quot;countries&quot; that actually fought in the war - you could say that it is &quot;a way of making listeners from many areas feel connected to the story&quot;, or you could say that it is simply not omitting any participants; For example skipping Philoctetes from the list would pretty much mean saying that the land of Meliboea didn&#x27;t participate in the war - it&#x27;s like omitting New Zealand from the list of WW2 Allies, it would be far more serious than making people connected to the story, it would be considered offensive.
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Aethelwulfover 8 years ago
Original source is user Pinpin on Wikimedia: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;commons.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;File:Homeric_Greece-en.svg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;commons.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;File:Homeric_Greece-en.sv...</a>
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pjmlpover 8 years ago
&gt; I wonder if that level of mobility was accurate for the time<p>Looking at old scripts or books like the one from Herodotus, I would say yes, just that it would take a few days&#x2F;weeks instead of hours.<p>Also since the traveling meant being able to fight for your life, only the adventurous would do it.
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bbctolover 8 years ago
In Iliad 12, the Trojans wish for the Achaeans to die unremembered; in the original Greek, literally &quot;nameless.&quot; This map is a good reminder that the level of detail in the Iliad is no accident, it&#x27;s an integral part of what the story&#x27;s about.
ballesta25over 8 years ago
It doesn&#x27;t say which Ajax is which?
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astrobase_goover 8 years ago
There really should be a legend on here:<p>1) There are boxes of two different colors here, light green versus yellow. I read the Iliad in high school, so I forget if there are actual differences that the creator was attempting to codify. I shouldn&#x27;t have to look it up, good information design should make that apparent to the unfamiliar viewer.<p>2) I assume the crosses are meant to signify that the character died at some point? If that&#x27;s true, perhaps another signifier would be more appropriate, since that seems to the uninitiated to be associated with the death of a Christian person. Since this was written sometime beyond 1,000 B.C.E., I&#x27;m going to say that those people weren&#x27;t Christians.<p>Would love for someone with the time&#x2F;ability to edit that map to make these updates.
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tuomosipolaover 8 years ago
It gets really tricky when they use son-of-this-and-that. I&#x27;m working through the much shorter Ilias Latina and it&#x27;s really hard to keep track of the characters.
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tragomaskhalosover 8 years ago
I imagine that Homer would have killed to have this on a Powerpoint slide when he got to reciting the Catalogue of the Ships :)
JabavuAdamsover 8 years ago
Spoilers! Achilles dies?