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FCC weakens net neutrality rule in a prelude to larger rollbacks

550 pointsby vivekmgeorgeabout 8 years ago

23 comments

gueloabout 8 years ago
I hate these types of articles that provide extensive quotes and even a screenshot of part of the pdf, but refuse to link to the actual documents. It&#x27;s probably an advertising thing where they don&#x27;t want people to leave the site.<p>The actual statements are available here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fcc.gov&#x2F;document&#x2F;fcc-addresses-unnecessary-accounting-requirements-carriers" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fcc.gov&#x2F;document&#x2F;fcc-addresses-unnecessary-accou...</a>
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tomeldersabout 8 years ago
Undersandly, the conversation in here revolves around the technicalities and semantics of net neutrality. But this isn&#x27;t an issue of technology. It&#x27;s a political issue, or worse, an ideological issue. It&#x27;s not about the empirical truths of net neutrality, or the collective intent of those who created, and those who continue to develop the technology that has woven itself into the fabric of humanity. It&#x27;s about idealouges imposing their ideals on every facet of our lives, regardless of the facts.<p>The sad fact is, this is yet another grim attack on net neutrality by nefarious agents who see the web as something to be dominated and bent to their will exclusivley for political and economic gain.<p>Like it or not, the work we do is going to become highly politicised. Are we ready for this? Do we have the moral fortitude to resist the influence that fuzzy, sloppy, and emotive politics seeks to have on our discussions?<p>I think back to how we handled the Brendan Eich debacle. I (regretfully) came down on the punitive side of that argument. And I participated in that debate with a level of anger and vitriol that embarrasses me now. But whichever side you took, there&#x27;s no doubt that for a brief moment we were deeply divided. The Brendan Eich story was a flash in the pan compared to what is about to happen.<p>Should we engage in political debate, or should we avoid it? Can we buck the trend and participate in political debate in way that doesn&#x27;t tear us apart, or should we ignore it as it happens around us and impacts upon our lives and work? Or is there a path between the extremes, where we can be neither ignorant to our political leanings nor beholden to them?<p>I don&#x27;t dare offer any advice on how we should prepare ourselves for what is about to come, I just hope we can all think about how we hope to respond before it happens.<p>One thing I will say though, being someone prone to highly emotional reactions in all aspects of my life; developing software in teams has taught me the value of &quot;strong opinions, weakly held&quot;.
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morgzillaabout 8 years ago
I can see how a bit of outrage about this is how the NRA got to the place it is today. This by itself isn&#x27;t that meaningful, but anything can be politicized, turn public opinion and gain momentum. That&#x27;s why the NRA&#x27;s position is to say NO to any kind of gun regulation, because they know that&#x27;s how you ensure guns are made available and gun culture is for sure secure.<p>In the tech community I see people rising up against any kind of movement against net neutrality. And I do not want to see it erode. But I worry that by becoming averse to any reversal, any compromise, the communities stance will eventually be so politicized that it is just another part of the unreasonable and ultra biased political landscape that grinds progress to a halt.
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jerkstateabout 8 years ago
Does anyone with a strong understanding of internetworking, peering and transit contract negotiation actually believe that &quot;net neutrality&quot; is possible? traffic shaping of saturated links seems like a necessary outcome to not undermine the smaller users (i.e. low bandwidth communications) that are impacted by heavy users (i.e. video streaming) if two peering parties can&#x27;t come to terms on cost sharing for link upgrades.
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seibeljabout 8 years ago
I know several people who are highly involved with the FCC, telecom industry, and telecom law that think that &quot;network neutrality&quot; is just 2 words. Until 1970, and only because of lawsuits, it was illegal to connect anything to your phone line. You could get any phone you wanted from Ma Bell as long as it was black.[0] If you wanted a different color you had to pay extra. It took force to make Ma Bell and the FCC allow you to plug in your own phone, your own computer, etc. The FCC supports monopolies, if you want competition you should applaud the deregulation of telecom.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Model_500_telephone#Ownership_and_AT.26T_divestiture" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Model_500_telephone#Ownership_...</a>
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subverterabout 8 years ago
This raises the limit on the number of subscribers a provider can have before regulation kicks in. In other words, a larger number of smaller providers have one less regulation to worry about.<p>Isn&#x27;t more competition among providers what we want? Shouldn&#x27;t we be doing everything we can – even if it&#x27;s saving 6.8 hours per year in regulatory compliance – to help these smaller guys be able to take on these horrible behemoths like AT&amp;T and Comcast?
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woahabout 8 years ago
I asked this in another thread a few days ago, but why are edge servers and CDNs not a violation of &quot;net neutrality&quot;? If you&#x27;ve got an edge server on an ISP, and are paying extra for a leased line from your main data center to that server, you are effectively paying the ISP an additional fee for priority over other traffic on their hardware.
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ryandrakeabout 8 years ago
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Cryeabout 8 years ago
Let me put my hat in the ring here.<p>Deregulation of access to consumers will result in cheaper internet and most likely faster internet speeds. However, it will concentrate power to those who already have it. Large ISPs will charge heavy bandwidth companies and only the largest heavy bandwidth companies will be able to afford the fees.<p>Those heavy bandwidth companies paying the fees will recoup the money through advertising. Remember newspapers and large TV media companies make the majority of their money through advertising. When companies rely on advertising, the users are no longer the customers. They are the product.<p>Further protecting the companies which rely on advertising will allow those companies to focus less on the customers and more on the advertisers. Companies relying on the allegiance of advertising will naturally shape their political standing to views of the advertisers. Remember also that advertisers are not paying for just eyeballs, but they are all paying for control. If a company starts moving away from their advertisers&#x27; political ideology they will lose revenue. Net Neutrality will ultimately give more control to companies that already hold power.<p>Just my two cents...
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pasbesoinabout 8 years ago
Google Fiber got to a couple of nearby communities before they put the brakes on.<p>I&#x27;m left hoping that&#x27;s close enough to branch out wireless service in short order.<p>Otherwise, I&#x27;m left screwed, between an AT&amp;T that refuses to upgrade its local network (and it&#x27;s a dense, accessible, suburban neighborhood -- hardly the boonies), and a Comcast that has doubled its rates for basically the same service. Both with caps that will quickly look increasingly ridiculous in the face of the wider world of data transfer.<p>We&#x27;ll be back to them insisting on big bucks for assymmetric streaming of big-brand content, with increasing pressure to make that <i>their</i> content (a la data-cap exemptions, etc.)
dopameanabout 8 years ago
Why is the FCC against net neutrality?
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VonGuardabout 8 years ago
This is the end. If we think this guy&#x27;s gonna listen to the people, we&#x27;re completely wrong.
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Pica_soOabout 8 years ago
I wish we had a slow, but high bandwith alternative to the web in public hands. The problem is the infrastructure.. if there was a way to create a gnu add-hoc wifi network between every home hotspot - at least within a city, the web neutrality could be restored.
rebaseabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;d like to add the only optimistic response I can think of. The only benefit of deregulation is the opportunity for disruption of monopolies. Especially so in a landscape of tech.<p>If provider A starts providing terrible bandwidth, incredibly high prices, and terrible service, it means that that provider X has a lucrative opportunity to provide better bandwidth, better prices, and great service.<p>I hope these rules aren&#x27;t used to help entrenched monopolies, but provide an ripe opportunity for the space to innovate.<p>I hope these rules will be on the wrong side of history, but there is little stopping anyone from using the free market to their advantage.
wav-partabout 8 years ago
Is not net-neutrality better handled by IANA ? If you are going to call your router &quot;internet&quot;, you must treat all IP packets equally. Seems like reasonable terms to me. Afterall this is the property that made Internet what it is today.
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fallingfrogabout 8 years ago
I suppose one way to enforce net neutrality might be to route all traffic through TOR.. that might mess up the caching for a service like Netflix though. (Could someone who knows more than I do comment on that?)
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beatpandaabout 8 years ago
How long until access to the open internet costs extra?
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lacroixabout 8 years ago
The FCC won&#x27;t let me be
bobbingtonabout 8 years ago
Internet is plenty fast. Companies need to disclose what they are doing to customers, but government shouldn&#x27;t regulate it
rocky1138about 8 years ago
Can&#x27;t we just create our own local Intranets using Ethernet cables running around cul-de-sacs?<p>Mine connects to yours which connects to his which connects to hers. Eventually we&#x27;ll have formed a network.
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transfireabout 8 years ago
This issue could well turn out to be Trump&#x27;s Achilles heal. If they go too far, the engineers that actually make the Internet work can easily bring the whole shebang down in protest -- and the world is so addicted to the Internet at this point the outrage would be deafening. And if Trump is too proud to back down...
bobbingtonabout 8 years ago
Leave it alone. Stop demonizing the companies that give Internet.
boonaabout 8 years ago
If Trump also continues with his plan to deregulate as well, I&#x27;m of the opinion that this is great news. This could make Google Fiber and other similar undertakings much more viable. It always gives me the hibby-jeebies when government takes strong control over an industry. This is especially true in the case of the FCC where their original mandate went from regulating airwaves, to regulating the content of said airwaves.
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