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Border-adjusted cash flow tax (to replace corporation tax) explained

35 pointsby randomname2about 8 years ago

11 comments

spangryabout 8 years ago
Although not entirely obvious at first glance, this is a tax on consumption. Here&#x27;s a simple explanation, taken from the clunkily titled <i>Australia&#x27;s Future Tax System Review</i>: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;ocRMR0n.png" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.imgur.com&#x2F;ocRMR0n.png</a>. Consumption taxes that don&#x27;t create high administrative burdens for businesses (CFTs are arguably less burdensome than VATs), are a very efficient way to raise tax revenue. However, I do take issue with this part of the article, where they&#x27;re talking in the context of wages being deductible under a CFT (so that only labour value-add is taxed):<p><i>&quot;Taxing wages is the thing that makes VATs regressive, hitting poor consumers the hardest.&quot;</i><p>This is not entirely correct. Although taxes on gross labour might shift production towards higher capital intensity, I don&#x27;t think VAT&#x27;s actually tax the gross labour component of production (though I&#x27;m not 100% certain here). Value-added taxes, and consumption taxes in general (including CFTs), are regressive because they are levied at a flat rate and people on lower incomes usually cannot defer consumption: many have no choice but to immediately spend ~100% of their income as soon as they receive it. The inability to defer consumption also reduces scope to consume in an &#x27;inter-temporally efficient&#x27; manner (e.g. volume discounts), further compounding the regressive effect. And although I have no real data to back this up (not that I&#x27;ve looked), I&#x27;d imagine the poor spend a larger proportion of their lifetime income domestically compared to the rich.<p>I&#x27;ll stop here. I&#x27;m not trying to say CFTs or consumption taxes are bad (in fact, I think they&#x27;re good if done properly). But people should be aware that any consumption tax introduction must also be accompanied by upwards adjustments of low-income transfer payments and reduced low-income earner tax burden elsewhere in the system (and this should be part of the public discussion). Otherwise it will shift a larger amount of the overall tax burden on to the poor.<p>EDIT: Giving it a bit more thought, this might be a good &#x27;thin end of the wedge&#x27; to build towards &#x27;basic-income&#x2F;negative income tax&#x27;. And handing out some unconditional lump sum to every citizen also helps with some of the equity concerns.
PKopabout 8 years ago
Perhaps a better analysis, from a more politically-neutral source:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taxfoundation.org&#x2F;understanding-house-gop-border-adjustment&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;taxfoundation.org&#x2F;understanding-house-gop-border-adj...</a><p>Also this: &quot;Talking Tax Reform: A Discussion of Border Adjustability &amp; Cash-Flow Taxes&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FO1rlheCigk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=FO1rlheCigk</a>
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tvanantwerpabout 8 years ago
I work at the Tax Foundation--a non-profit, non-partisan policy research group--and we&#x27;ve been working a lot lately to try and explain exactly what a destination-based cash flow tax is. There has been a lot of misunderstanding around it generally. It&#x27;s not an idea that&#x27;s been talked about in US tax policy much before. Our federal program director Kyle Pomerleau summed it up like this[1]:<p>&gt; destination-based cash-flow tax = current law - corp. tax + VAT - payroll tax.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;kpomerleau&#x2F;status&#x2F;807355060170739712" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;kpomerleau&#x2F;status&#x2F;807355060170739712</a>
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maxxxxxabout 8 years ago
I would like to see a tax system that makes it more attractive to hire people and pay them well. I am not that versed in economics but are there any such proposals out there? The current trend with more and more income going to the upper ranks should be stopped.
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erentzabout 8 years ago
To summarize, is it right to understand it this way:<p>I am a widget maker. I sell $100 of widgets to my friends domestically. I sell $100 widgets to foreigners over the internet. I use $50 of local materials and services, e.g. wood and labor (in the form of wages I pay my staff). I use $50 of foreign materials in the form of some rare earth metal stolen from a Central African country. And the tax rate is 20%.<p>Thus, in the current system I would have $200 in total revenue. $100 in the expenses (both domestic and foreign imports) I deduct. Leaving me with $100 profit on which I pay $20 to the government as tax.<p>In the proposed system I have $200 in revenue. I pay no tax on the $100 I exported. I pay 20% on the $50 domestic profit (so $10). And 20% on the $50 of imports (so $10). Total to government is $20.<p>(Side thought: Apple could bring all its cash back immediately in this scheme tax free by buying a $50 billion widget from Apple HQ.)<p>EDIT: Actually the comparison to VAT (GST as we called it in NZ&#x2F;Aus) makes it confusing, the way that works in those countries (where I&#x27;m familiar with it) it would seem to imply the proposal is more like: I have $100 in foreign revenue on which no VAT is collected. I have $100 in domestic revenue on which I charge 20% VAT (i.e. the people buying domestically are paying me $120, I&#x27;m collecting that $20 for the government). That $50 of imports has 20% VAT added to it, so it cost me $60. That $50 of domestic expenses had 20% VAT added to it by those suppliers, i.e. also costing me $60. I&#x27;ve collected $20 in VAT from people buying my goods and services domestically, and I&#x27;ve paid $20 in VAT to my suppliers, so come the end of the year I pay nothing to the government. The governments revenue of $20 from this whole chain comes from the end users of products to the primary producers of the original goods and services (in this case my suppliers would be paying $20 to the government on behalf of my customers). How does this differ from a VAT?
thrillabout 8 years ago
Vox should bother to learn the difference between evasion and avoidance if they&#x27;re going to write on taxes.
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vmarsyabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;m curious what this tax would change for :<p>- iPhones made in China and sold in Europe (i.e. would Apple have an incentive to involve Apple USA or not)<p>- iPhones made in China and sold in the U.S.<p>- U.S. based company (LLC&#x2F;C-Corp) offering SaaS subscriptions in the U.S. and abroad
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pmiller2about 8 years ago
Uf I&#x27;m reading the article correctly, the net effect of this tax will be somewhere between zero and very small. What would be the point, then? If I am wrong about this, I would like to know.
btillyabout 8 years ago
Step 1: Congress imposes a border-adjusted cash flow tax.<p>Step 2: Businesses switch to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;TransferWise#How_it_works" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;TransferWise#How_it_works</a>.<p>Step 3: A lot less money crosses the border, so Congress doesn&#x27;t collect any tax.
omegaworksabout 8 years ago
&gt;The tax reform plan being considered by Congress also involves huge rate cuts, which would swamp any progressivity benefit of the new tax design and mainly benefit the rich.<p>So it&#x27;s a pretty design, but if it drops the revenue the government makes it&#x27;s still a big handout to the wealthy.
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lukasmabout 8 years ago
What are the good arguments agains revenue tax? Say 1,5%
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