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Show HN: Bezie – Virtual MIDI controller for complex automation

41 pointsby bezieioabout 8 years ago

10 comments

sagoabout 8 years ago
It looks cool, Nice little app. As a Reason user, I particularly like that it does everything through midi rather than VST. I agree with the point about notes: it would be quite neat to see this overlaid on a note lane. Still, adding new features is always easy to suggest. Well done on getting this far. I can&#x27;t promise to buy (I&#x27;ll have to have more of a think of a use case for me) but I hope you get some custom.<p>Pedantic nerd point: your beziers are not beziers days, are they? Looks like Catmull-Rom - they&#x27;ll that doesn&#x27;t quite make such a good brand-name.
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thirdsunabout 8 years ago
It looks very solid, but it in my opinion it has to be very impressive to persuade me to use a third party tool instead of the automation tools that are integrated with my DAW.<p>I&#x27;m not trying to degrade your product, which, again, looks great, but you just targeted an area that is handled quite well in most DAWs already.<p>Have you considered turning this into a mobile app? Having this run on an iPad next to my keyboard with immediate access may be a better use case than alt-tabbing between my DAW and Bezie. And of course there are countless iOS DAWs that could make use of your advanced automations.
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TTProgramsabout 8 years ago
This is pretty cool. Back when I was DJing I would have definitely bought this (and may yet, if I put my setup together again).<p>I&#x27;d suggest showing this working with Traktor or Serato - Ableton can functionally do something like this already (with Max&#x2F;MSP) in which case you&#x27;re competing on UI. This sort of thing is basically impossible in Traktor, last I checked, so you&#x27;re bringing a much bigger improvement to those users. The live DJ market also benefits much more from improvements to their MIDI controls. If you make a demo video like Ean Golden does with the Midi Fighter [1] or NI does with Traktor [2] I think you&#x27;d see significant interest.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=13AHLkIziNY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=13AHLkIziNY</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=dEP4wF1hgrM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=dEP4wF1hgrM</a>
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bezieioabout 8 years ago
The original motivation of Bezie was to build a simple tool to enable finer control over bézier curve automation. It evolved from a MIDI clip generator into a MIDI controller. Bezie opens up new possibilities with cubic and quadratic bézier curves. Bezie runs as a virtual MIDI controller outside of your DAW, not as a VST. This makes MIDI mapping extremely simple and no different than mapping from a hardware controller. Bezie also has several unique features including: vertical &amp; horizontal envelope inversion, copy &amp; paste, grid control and concurrent envelope rendering. Bezie is built with Electron, React and Redux and takes advantage of node-midi for virtual MIDI and SVG for the automation UI.
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djaychelaabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;ll give this a good workout later today. I&#x27;m a music tech teacher and use Cubase, and this fills one of the biggest holes in Cubase to my mind - bezier-type automation and the tools available for creating and manipulating that data. It looks good, but as others have mentioned, using a third-party app for this can be a little obtrusive in terms of workflow (I know there&#x27;s no way round this for you, so it&#x27;s not a criticism, more a statement of the unavoidable).<p>I&#x27;ve lost count of the number of times I&#x27;ve had to create an automation &#x27;curve&#x27; using points to approximate a curve (particularly for filter cutoff frequency for fairly obvious reasons), so if I can find a way to integrate this well enough to make it work for me during sessions then it will be hugely appreciated. FWIW I&#x27;ll give it a review on my (tiny) YT channel.<p>The sad thing about this is that these kind of facilities have been asked for for -years- by users of Cubase, and they haven&#x27;t made it in to the feature set, despite the clear advantages they would give in creativity. I&#x27;m not a programmer (IANAP?), so I&#x27;m not sure how many man-years went into creating this, but surely it&#x27;s not beyond the ken of people who have created something like Cubase to do this, or is it that there&#x27;s something lurking in the code already that makes it much more difficult to do than if you do it from scratch? (Is this technical debt? I see the term sometimes)
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lightedmanabout 8 years ago
No support for note alteration? Not useful for complex automation where precise pitch variance upwards of two full octaves is needed, then, drat.
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peapickerabout 8 years ago
Looks fascinating, I expect I&#x27;d probably use it eventually. It is about $10 too high for me for a &#x27;buy it now, learn&#x2F;use it when I get the chance&#x27; -- but it will go on my backlog for when I&#x27;ve mastered more of Ableton Suite.
alnitakabout 8 years ago
Do you have plans to support automating MIDI notes or some sort of notes transformations, or is it out of the scope of this tool?
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goodmachineabout 8 years ago
This is quite nice, would be great on iPad. Any chance of some bounce curves?
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liam_jaabout 8 years ago
This looks very similar to Xfer LFO Tool - how do they compare?
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