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FBI Used Best Buy's Geek Squad to Increase Secret Public Surveillance

475 pointsby randomname2about 8 years ago

22 comments

mnm1about 8 years ago
I only want to know one thing: how does the government intend to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the Geek Squad employees themselves didn't put the alleged porn pictures on the device? Does Geek Squad have a chain of custody and other such procedures? Was the device tracked every single moment and NEVER, not even for a second, allowed alone with anyone outside the government (this actually seems impossible unless agents were present when the device was taken in)? Seems to me like that would be a good way for Geek Squad scumbags to make some extra cash from the government while the government looks the other way and tries to convict innocent people. Also seems to me like this case should have been dismissed already based on these concerns.
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dbotabout 8 years ago
There is a reason that safeguards like attorney-client, priest-penitent, and spousal privilege exist. For most of civilization, these are the people with whom we entrust our deepest secrets. Society doesn&#x27;t work if these relationships aren&#x27;t respected.<p>Today, our deepest secrets are usually stored somewhere on a hard drive. When we turn them over to the &quot;priests&quot; of PC repair, there is no real protection beyond the terms of a one-sided, clickwrap contract. I&#x27;ve never used a repair service for this reason - I&#x27;ll either fix the problem myself or throw the device away. It sucks, but articles like this suggest it&#x27;s not a bad idea...
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finnnabout 8 years ago
&quot;Would you like to share you location with this site?&quot; holy shit that&#x27;s malicious.<p>On an article about surveillance, no less
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throw2016about 8 years ago
The chances of a specific geek squad &#x27;operative&#x27; chancing upon a &#x27;target&#x27; the FBI is interested in is so low and minuscule one has to wonder how its worth it unless they are operating a dragnet or the FBI has too many people on staff.<p>If the bar is so low one has to wonder how many high value companies are not infiltrated by FBI, NSA and other 3 letter agencies.<p>When commentators here suggest the answer to privacy or surveillance is &#x27;technical&#x27; it comes across as false empowerment. How can individuals or groups win against nation state actors with near endless resources, time, influence, power and armies of bureaucrats and engineers working 24&#x2F;7 to achieve objectives? It&#x27;s a nonstarter and the solution has to be socio-political.<p>The law doesn&#x27;t stop them, if anything they are adept at skirting around laws, misleading judges, working the system and banding together to protect themselves. Even worse there is zero consequence when things blow up, and its those leaking information who are hounded.
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rrggrrabout 8 years ago
How long before some disgruntled geek squadette plants illegal content on an innocent person&#x27;s hard drive? From time to time analogous incidents occur in food preparation (contaminating food), medicine (injuring patients), and even law enforcement. The problem with digital crime is the difficulty in determining who did what, when, with certainty.
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clarkcox3about 8 years ago
If you&#x27;re repairing someone else&#x27;s computer and come across child porn, aren&#x27;t you obligated to report it? (if only to cover your own ass, as technically you are now in possession of cp).
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jdavis703about 8 years ago
I sent my Macbook into the Apple Store&#x27;s Genius Bar to be fixed (yay unibody design). They wanted the drive&#x27;s encryption password so that they could &quot;backup&quot; my data and add it to a new drive if needed. It looked as if they just store this password in the &quot;notes&quot; field. Of course I didn&#x27;t give it to them, but it pays to be extra paranoid, even about services from companies you think you should trust.
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TACIXATabout 8 years ago
I just want to post a few excerpts from court documents that always seem to be missing from these articles. Warning, descriptions of sexual imagery of children.<p>&gt;The picture in question was “of a fully nude, white prepubescent female on her hands and knees on a bed, with a brown choker-type collar around her neck.” (Dkt. 152 at 7.) Presumably in the form of thumbnails, Agent Riley also saw “partial images of genitalia of young girls” and states that “[i]t appeared there was a lot of [child pornography] as the tech didn’t have to scroll, the window popped up with image after image of [child pornography] and child erotica&#x2F;grooming images.” [1]<p>&gt;A later search of the iPhone revealed alleged child pornography that is charged in Count 2 of the Indictment. [2]<p>On the classification of Best Buy workers as CHS<p>&gt;During 2007 and 2008, I am aware of four employees of Best Buy Geek Squad in Brooks, Kentucky, who contacted us regarding child pornography on customers&#x27; devices. To best track the relationship with these individuals and document contacts the FBI had with them, we classified these individuals as confidential human sources (&quot;CHS&#x27;s&quot;), though they were simply employees at the Best Buy Geek Squad who happened to be in a position to report child pornography that technicians had come across on devices during the course of repair. [3]<p>1. Case 8:14-cr-00188-CJC &#x2F; Document 173 &#x2F; Filed 12&#x2F;19&#x2F;16<p>2. Case 8:14-cr-00188-CJC &#x2F; Document 76 &#x2F; Filed 10&#x2F;30&#x2F;15<p>3. Case 8:14-cr-00188-CJC &#x2F; Document 176-1 &#x2F; Filed 01&#x2F;05&#x2F;17
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butterfiabout 8 years ago
To my knowledge, Geek Squad had a shaky reputation to start with, I can&#x27;t imagine this is going to help.
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vermontdevilabout 8 years ago
Best Buy is in trouble PR wise. Even non-tech people on NextDoor in my area are telling others to avoid Geek Squad for computer repairs due to this.
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ramblenodeabout 8 years ago
Previous discussion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13358287" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=13358287</a>
jMylesabout 8 years ago
&gt; shared lists of targeted citizens<p>Wait, what? The story says this and then nothing more about it. What do we know about this? Where are these lists?
lizavpabout 8 years ago
Went to Best Buy to purchase a laptop for my Mom. Geek Squad had installed the &quot;free anti-virus&quot; that came with the laptop. They opened a brand new factory sealed laptop. I noped right out the door.
mirimirabout 8 years ago
I wonder what &quot;&#x27;not exactly&#x27; child porn&quot; means.<p>I mean, some child beauty pageant stuff seems iffy. Consider JonBenét Ramsey: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;goo.gl&#x2F;images&#x2F;50otkX" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;goo.gl&#x2F;images&#x2F;50otkX</a>
tomohawkabout 8 years ago
I wonder if that&#x27;s how they bugged Sharyl Attkisson<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sharylattkisson.com&#x2F;reporter-wars-my-secrecy-battles-with-federal-government&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sharylattkisson.com&#x2F;reporter-wars-my-secrecy-battles...</a>
linkregisterabout 8 years ago
This story is shocking and deserves public exposure.<p>The OC Weekly seems like the bizarre indie magazines available at a Communist coffeeshop in Berkeley, CA. Maybe it&#x27;s just the illustrations. Either way, the medium distracts from the message.
brightballabout 8 years ago
So they watched Chuck on NBC?
EdSharkeyabout 8 years ago
Like Best Buy doesn&#x27;t have enough problems. What a shame.
ravenstineabout 8 years ago
I wouldn&#x27;t hand my computer over to anyone, Geek Squad or not. It&#x27;s handing the keys to your life over to some person whose motivations you have no idea of. Rather than repair my computer, I would buy a new one. I recommend everyone do the same. Think of it as insurance for your livelihood, and the most guaranteed insurance at that. Well worth the money, especially considering the average lifetime of a laptop.
huffmsaabout 8 years ago
Posse comitatus act for the 21st century.<p>&quot;And the meek shall inherit the earth&quot;
arrty88about 8 years ago
Anyone know if apple&#x27;s geniuses work with the feds?
bluesmoonabout 8 years ago
That&#x27;s nothing. The Buy More in Burbank has a joint CIA&#x2F;NSA lair hidden beneath it and the Nerd Herd are operatives. There&#x27;s even this one guy with some kind of Database (possibly NoSQL) installed in his brain.
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