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Norway mass murderer Breivik was 'already damaged by the age of two'

50 pointsby teslacarabout 8 years ago

10 comments

Waterluvianabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;ve seen this story a thousand times. Someone is abused in some manner, becomes an abuser, and the cycle repeats.<p>I struggle with reconciling these cases because there&#x27;s two drastically different perspectives you can look at it from:<p>1. Brevik is a mass murderer and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.<p>2. Brevik is a victim who was never given a fair shot at life to begin with. He was moulded into the horrible person he became.<p>What is the point of transition where we stop treating someone like a victim and begin treating them like a criminal? How many serious offenders have been raised in such a damaging way that you could argue they&#x27;re not exactly responsible for any of the awful things they ended up doing?<p>It brings doubt to how we handle serious criminals in modern times.
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seagullzabout 8 years ago
&quot;As the trial for Breivik&#x27;s bomb-and-shooting rampage that killed 77 people entered its second week, the far-right fanatic told a court that he was the victim of a &quot;racist&quot; plot to discredit his ideology. He said no one would have questioned his sanity if he were a &quot;bearded jihadist.&quot; &quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usnews.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2012&#x2F;04&#x2F;23&#x2F;breivik-claims-racist-plot-to-cast-him-as-insane" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.usnews.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2012&#x2F;04&#x2F;23&#x2F;breivi...</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bridge.georgetown.edu&#x2F;mental-illness-a-key-factor-in-terror&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bridge.georgetown.edu&#x2F;mental-illness-a-key-factor-in-...</a>
wtbobabout 8 years ago
What worries me about this is the detailed nature of this account. Surely every one of us has had quite a few painful years: imagine if it had all been recorded in dry, bureaucratic detail.<p>I&#x27;m reminded of the story about æroplanes and the mythical average pilot: just as no pilot is actually average (and, in the original story, that&#x27;s why cockpits designed for the average were bad for everyone), might it not be that none of us is statistically normal, and thus <i>every</i> one of us is thus <i>abnormal</i>, and hence dangerous to the bureaucratic state?<p>None of this is meant to minimise Brevik&#x27;s horrific crime, of course. But I&#x27;m worried about this level of detail being available for anyone on the planet. I don&#x27;t know what the solution is: obviously, it&#x27;s now possible to record lots of details about anyone, and just as obviously, it&#x27;s possible for those details to be made available. That implies that those details <i>will</i> be made available, and so we as a society must come to terms with that.<p>Still, it&#x27;s a bit chilling that a State can track a man down to that level of detail.
BadassFractalabout 8 years ago
You eventually realize that it&#x27;s next to impossible to hate someone when, if you were born into their situation, with their genetics, their environment, their condition, you would very likely have done the same exact thing. There&#x27;s a tragic amount of predetermination in life.
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muramiraabout 8 years ago
Am I the only one to cry out bullshit! The guy is a terrorist, period. He deserves to pay for what he did. I survived a genocide and you don&#x27;t see me go around and kill people.
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javajoshabout 8 years ago
It&#x27;s remarkable there was any awareness of his predicament at all. All too often it seems that society is only sensitive to the more obvious forms of abuse (sexual and physical). Yet I suspect psychological abuse is far, far worse. I bet if you looked deeply into the lives of U.S. school shooters you&#x27;d find a similar story.<p>The real lesson here is: <i>if you&#x27;re a borderline woman, do NOT have children</i>. If you do, give them up for adoption. We as a society should be ready and willing to forcibly separate children from borderline parents.
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mgarfiasabout 8 years ago
This reads scarily like how my ex is with our boy. I hope that the proper care he gets 1&#x2F;2 time at my house keeps him from going nuts
4991throwawayabout 8 years ago
Wow reading the account of his childhood was very eye-opening.<p>For starters, I should say I&#x27;ve never hurt anyone willingly, not in any serious way at least, nor for any length of time. Secondly, my parents are happily married as were their parents, my home life was mostly fine. My dad is an emotional black hole but I love him.<p>What I found strikingly similar to Anders was his emotional reaction to people, being distant, few friends, fake smiles that I usually have to try very hard to make them be believable. He obviously got hurt by people in his life and learned to depend on himself to keep his ego intact, and that&#x27;s my experience as well.<p>I have a deep desire to be normal but I know i&#x27;m not. Up until about 9 or 10 I was a pretty normal kid, but then my family moved across the country. I knew nobody in the new town. Before the move I had a best friend, several other friends and I had a pretty happy childhood overall. I&#x27;m convinced I had ADD because I was extremely hyper-active and my primary outlet in my new school was to draw, most of my worksheets until about middle school were filled with random doodles. I day-dreamed constantly, I was always behind on work because I could rarely focus on doing any one thing for more than a few minutes.<p>So in my new school, I had an extremely hard time making any friends. I have one I would consider a close friend, though the older we get the more distant we seem to become. So all the ADD-fueled mannerisms that I thrived on before moving, that my old friends accepted me in spite of them, all worked against me at the new school. I didn&#x27;t fit in anywhere at my new, much larger school. I never really got into fights or was overly picked on, but I always felt rejected just for being me.<p>DUring high school at a job, one of my bosses told me once &quot;You&#x27;re a really serious guy, you know that&quot;, because I seldom showed any emotion. At the time I took it as a compliment. I&#x27;m much more emotive these days, but the damage to my personality has been done. I live alone, haven&#x27;t had a girlfriend in over a year and I generally have very little contact with people outside of work, and only at work. I really seldom desire any, though I do love to be in small company as long as i&#x27;m not the center of attention. My old childhood friends really are strangers to me now, I tried to reconnect with most of them but the person I was back then isn&#x27;t the person I am today.<p>I guess I just wanted some more insight into this. I certainly don&#x27;t mean anyone harm, but everytime I see a psychological profile of a serial killer, I always see a part of them in me, the desire for time alone and the lack of adherance to most social norms and the general distance with people both physically and emotionally. My neighbors I&#x27;m pretty sure are afraid of me simply because I seldom have any guests and I keep to myself for the most part, especially after my last girlfriend moved out over a year ago. I really don&#x27;t know any of my neighbors very well at all even though I&#x27;ve lived here over 5 years.<p>I want to be a normal, people enjoying person, I have that drive in me, but something stops me. Not sure why I posted, but there are a lot of wise people who post here so I&#x27;m curious what input they might have (good or bad).
BlytheSchumaabout 8 years ago
This all could have been prevented with a Government regulated IUD program.
ggrochowabout 8 years ago
Sucks I can&#x27;t really read the article because some-custom scrolling or scripts are breaking the vim-fx FF plugin and the normal-scrolling doesn&#x27;t even move the page.
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