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Google Talk Is Being Discontinued

618 pointsby flyingramenabout 8 years ago

70 comments

scrollawayabout 8 years ago
Here&#x27;s what I don&#x27;t get about Google.<p>A few years ago, they were one of the only players in the IM game, alongside MSN, AOL IM, ICQ... have you heard about any of these lately? Of course not, they&#x27;re all dead.<p>Talk was built on top of XMPP, an open protocol, which helped its popularity as third party clients could connect to it. Talk was also built in to gmail, and at the time that was revolutionary: A fast and lightweight chat app, right in your browser. In (one of?) the most popular mail service providers at the time!<p>Google has <i>failed</i> to capitalize on any of that. They completely ignored Talk. But then when Facebook did the same thing, oh suddenly they had to compete. So they rebuilt Talk on top of a new protocol. This time, it&#x27;s proprietary. This time, it&#x27;s much slower in the browser. Oh and you lose half your contacts if you upgrade to it. But at least now it works on phones?<p>So they tried building this new closed chat ecosystem for no good reason, and they used their Android market share to do that. People didn&#x27;t like it, still used Whatsapp, still used FB Messenger, still used Viber, and the now hundreds of alternatives there are, all incompatible with one another because everybody&#x27;s gotta reinvent the wheel.<p>You know, I can get behind that XMPP wasn&#x27;t up to the task - I tried dealing with XMPP myself and it&#x27;s a frustrating piece of work. But the way Google has treated IM is appalling. Really backwards. They built a good product, then completely ignored it, then built another in an attempt to reinvent it and become more locked down, butchered the old one and are now losing everything. Who&#x27;s making these decisions exactly?<p>Matrix is probably our best bet when it comes to open chat protocols, but it&#x27;s honestly not mainstream ready. In the mean time, I use Discord (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;discordapp.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;discordapp.com&#x2F;</a>) for essentially all my communications. I have completely moved off Talk, Hangouts, Skype and even most of IRC (which has frankly fallen way too far behind more recent comms tech, even as an open protocol). It&#x27;s proprietary, but at least it gives me text+voice (+ soon video) and doesn&#x27;t suck - and there is no open choice I can make at this point that is approachable enough that I can convert people to it.
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eachroabout 8 years ago
At this point I have no idea which Google chat client is which. A few years ago I remember having Google Talk on my android phone. Then after some random update the application disappeared from my phone and was replaced with hangouts. Now is Google Talk the same as GChat? Was Hangouts anything more than just a new branding for Google Talk? I have no idea. And what&#x27;s up with this Google Allo thing? Again, it seems like Google seriously dropped the ball with branding and communicating wtf was going on. Most of my messages has moved over to FB Messenger or Whatsapp&#x2F;Wechat and Google only has itself to blame for that.
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erpellanabout 8 years ago
&quot;Collaborate on standards. Compete on quality&quot;<p>Or something, I&#x27;m probably butchering the quote. There&#x27;s a reason we can play CDs from any manufacturer in every manufacturer&#x27;s player. Likewise SD cards, VHS videos, DVDs...<p>The importance of working with your competitors was well understood in the 1980&#x27;s. Seem&#x27;s it&#x27;s a lesson we need to learn again: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hbr.org&#x2F;1989&#x2F;01&#x2F;collaborate-with-your-competitors-and-win" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hbr.org&#x2F;1989&#x2F;01&#x2F;collaborate-with-your-competitors-an...</a>
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makecheckabout 8 years ago
Sometimes I think they named themselves Alphabet, Inc. so that they can have 26 different versions of a product, one for every letter of the, er, alphabet.<p>Their executives need to get on a whiteboard and make a few simple mandates, such as:<p>1. There will be a single protocol for messaging across all Google properties, compatible with open protocols where feasible.<p>2. There will be a single “app icon” on Android, and single app on each major platform, for achieving communication. All legacy messaging services will be available from this point.<p>3. Every reasonable handle for identifying users will be supported, including: profile names, E-mail addresses, real names, and legacy messaging user IDs.<p>4. Effective immediately, every single team working on every Google chat product will report to Foobar McManager, whose compensation will depend directly on achieving integration goals by $DATE.
startupdiscussabout 8 years ago
I just had an image of myself posting the headline:<p>&quot;Google discontinues Gmail and Search&quot;<p>as a way to kickstart a conversation about our reliance on services, and whether we can blame companies for not subsidizing services we like and so on.<p>But then I realized it would just go sideways into a discussion about click bait and appropriate headlines, so I am posting it as a comment.
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Pxtlabout 8 years ago
Losing SMS from Hangouts is the bigger deal for me.<p>I <i>liked</i> having one app on the home screen for voip and text and sms and videochat. It was simple and clean. Splitting it into 3 is a terrible user experience.<p>I get the Unix philosophy of lots of small tools applying here, but the Unix has the shell to tie them together. If Google made their Contacts app work as a hub - every chat system logs their history for a given contact into their contacts app, so I can open up a contact and see every communication app (even multiplayer games) and an interlined history for them all? That would make this work.<p>I could take the SMS, the chat, voice, even the <i>dialer</i> off the home screen and just have contacts - even a shortcut to my wife, so I could just open a person and then open a communication app for that person. That would work.<p>But without that, having a zillion small communication apps does not provide a good experience because the android home screen is a <i>bad</i> shell for lots of small apps. It&#x27;s just a launcher that&#x27;s good for big monolithic ones.
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ereyes01about 8 years ago
Boy, do I regret giving so many people my GV number and using it as a main phone number...<p>They are also removing Hangouts&#x27; SMS integration, BUT:<p>&gt; Note: This change does not impact Google Voice users who may continue to use Hangouts for their Google Voice SMS.<p>That doesn&#x27;t really make me feel great, it&#x27;s only a matter of time before it changes again, and I&#x27;m quite sure the experience of staying in Hangouts will be awful in the meantime. This whole SMS + Hangouts + GV situation is such a clusterfuck, yet I feel a bit trapped in this ecosystem right now due to the stickiness of a phone number that family already remembers, and numerous business cards I&#x27;ve handed out.<p>I know they recently polished up the old GV app, but the FB Messenger + Whatsapp ecosystem looks so much nicer now... I wish I can just somehow hand them my GV number and leave this Google mess behind... or somehow redirect everyone to my carrier number.
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plgabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;m really not being a troll here, I&#x27;m just confused:<p>Google Talk : what is that? Is that the little box on the left hand side of the page on gmail that lets you chat with other gmail users?<p>Google Hangouts : different? I know it&#x27;s videochat but it also has text ... a different thing?<p>The Android&#x2F;Google phone chat app thingy --- is this different still?<p>obviously I&#x27;m not a regular google user at least not of these services
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lotsoabout 8 years ago
I still use Gchat over Hangouts because it&#x27;s nice seeing my contacts list sorted by who is online, as opposed being ordered by recency of last communication.<p>So many of my Gchat conversations have started because of the online status. I&#x27;ve hit up friends that I haven&#x27;t talked to in over a year and had really great, synchronous, conversations because of it.
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shmerlabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;m pretty upset at Google about how they handled IM. It basically cost me more than a half of my contacts (who use Google), since first XMPP federation with Google Talk stopped working when Google refused to support server to server encryption, and now it&#x27;s being dropped altogether.<p>So much for moving things forward, instead of falling into the dark ages of incompatible balkanized instance messaging services.
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smdzabout 8 years ago
GTalk was an amazing simple-to-use application. Should I say it was simpler than Skype. I don&#x27;t like hangouts at all.
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ouidabout 8 years ago
God damn it. I do not want to use the Google Hangouts experience. Talk is a simple, elegant chat application. That is all I require and all I desire from Google. And I do not want to be patronized about how I actually want more &quot;integration&quot; with google products.
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LTomabout 8 years ago
I’m getting really fed up with Google. Yet another time when they nudge me towards using a service, only to retire it a while later. A separate app for SMS again , just when I’m comfortable with centralizing it in Hangouts. And Allo and Hangouts aren’t compatible, right? Every time I jump on Google’s newest app bandwagon it seems to end up being another ephemeral thing.
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ungzdabout 8 years ago
This blog post mentions following messenger technologies (Google has even more not mentioned here):<p>- Google Talk<p>- Hangouts Meet<p>- Hangouts Chat<p>- Android Messages (something new, never heard of it)<p>(And non-google messenger technologies: SMS, RCS).<p>How user is supposed to navigate all these? Given that all these things are inferior to even Facebook and is ICQ-grade.
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aclimattabout 8 years ago
Can somebody please explain to me Google&#x27;s messaging strategy? As a Voice, Talk, Hangouts, SMS user for what feels like the last decade, I am so incredibly confused that I want to walk into Google and fire all 18 of the 19 messaging teams. That way at least we&#x27;ll have one singular group to yell at when things go wrong.<p>Here&#x27;s the Google Messaging landscape as far as I know it:<p>- Google Talk in Gmail: I think this is what my work account has, and what they&#x27;re shutting down: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;Z0v6Zjq" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;Z0v6Zjq</a> This one is pretty useful because you can initiate a new Hangouts Video call right from this interface, as well as open up the Google Talk Voice POTS Dialer (?)<p>- Google Hangouts Messaging in Gmail: I think this what my personal account has, and perhaps what&#x27;s sticking around? <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;dBf7me2" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;dBf7me2</a> This interface clearly got upgraded a bit, but removed the ability to create a new Hangouts Video call unless you&#x27;re initiating it with a specific person (or I couldn&#x27;t find the place to do it)<p>- Google Hangouts for Android: This is a dual Hangouts and SMS client that supposedly will send messages with the two services above ^, plus over SMS to your carrier contacts. This is also being discontinued?<p>- Android Messaging: Sounds like a new app that&#x27;s coming out which will replace the SMS side of the above existing Hangouts app<p>- Hangouts Chat: This is the new app that&#x27;s going to replace the IP-based messaging feature of the current Google Hangouts for Android, right?<p>- Hangouts Meet: This is the new app that&#x27;s going to replace the video and screensharing portion of Hangouts for Android it sounds like. Why these two are now separate apps is beyond me. But it sounds like these two will interoperate with Google Hangouts in Gmail (the second screenshot), and the first one is disappearing and&#x2F;or being converted into the second. OK, I think I&#x27;m staring to figure this out...<p>- Google Voice: Oh don&#x27;t get me started on Voice. I&#x27;ve been a Voice user forever, and we finally got an upgrade! Which made no sense, because I thought they were killing it? But now they&#x27;re not? So now Voice is purely for SMS-based communication, and would be an alternative to Android Messaging, just as it always was (with its new web client as well). But if you were one of the unlucky people who chose to integrate your GVoice SMS experience into Hangouts for Android, I guess you can still use that? Supposedly that&#x27;s still supported, but I didn&#x27;t, and I fear for whoever ends up with that experience...<p>- Hangouts Dialer for Android: This is &#x2F; was the POTS dialer that integrated with Hangouts, and allowed you to dial any POTS number over VoIP. AND it lightly integrates with Google Voice, because it uses your GVoice number and balance for international calls. BONUS: It can also &#x2F;receive&#x2F; inbound calls that are placed inbound to your GVoice number, OR from Google Talk, because &quot;Google Talk&quot; was considered a &quot;forwarding phone&quot; as as Voice was concerned. Is that part going away? Can you &quot;call&quot; people over GTalk now? Sounds like no, but you can still &quot;Hangouts Meet&quot; with them, and if you have the Android client, it will ring your phone? I guess that makes sense... What about inbound calls to your GVoice number and being able to answer them over VoIP? That works today, and it&#x27;d be a real bummer if it went a way.<p>- Google Allo: Hey remember this? Probably not even though it&#x27;s only less than a year old. This is an entirely separate walled garden of a messaging app that allows you to Allo (text chat) other Allo users. But it also DOES have an SMS bridge (surprise!), and you can Allo non-Allo users, however the receiving SMS end is still a little questionable and is more meant as a user-acquisition funnel than a transparent GVoice-like experience. I believe this was meant to be a WhatsApp clone, but nobody uses it.<p>- Google Duo: And then there&#x27;s this thing? I guess it&#x27;s almost identical to Hangouts Meet now? Maybe Hangouts Meet is for Business® users and Duo is for your friends and family? Maybe Duo uses voice recognition to censor all business communication? (That was a joke, but...)<p>It&#x27;s just that simple! Screw Google and whoever is running their messaging division. Except I think that&#x27;s the problem: nobody is. Which is why this post exists.<p>I still think Wave could have solved all of our problems...
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cpburns2009about 8 years ago
The only benefit I see out of this is the removal of SMS support in the Hangouts Android app. I like my communication channels separate. I don&#x27;t like Hangouts or Facebook Messenger wanting to control my cell phone messages (SMS).<p>This might be a naive question, but will chat within Gmail still work? Is that chat provided by Talk or Hangouts?
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brooklynmarketabout 8 years ago
We&#x27;re actually talking to Google. If they don&#x27;t up their game with their Alexa like device, AKA Google Home, it&#x27;s next on the chopping block. Big disconnect there. She sounds like a robot, development tools are really a fraction of what Amazon offers.<p>The sales revenue is so high for their click model, their best minds are working on how to get people to click on ad&#x27;s for shoes. Needs a shake up at Google, for sure. It&#x27;s time.<p>Maybe everyone having to pass their fabled &quot;white board&quot; coding interview is leaving creative minds behind? Everyone just knows the best way to do a binary sort, and not much more. That&#x27;s my thinking.
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bahmbooabout 8 years ago
This is for G Suite business customers. They don&#x27;t explictly say if this applies to regular Google users.
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UnoriginalGuyabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;ve been avoiding Google Hangouts because when it first shipped you had to sign up to Google Plus. Does anyone know if that is still the case?<p>I also haven&#x27;t rated or reviewed an app on the Play Store in about two years due to the Google Plus requirement there also.
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berberousabout 8 years ago
Can anyone explain why if I switch to upgraded Hangouts I see only a few online contacts, but in the old Google Chat I see a bunch of people available and online? It&#x27;s a serious regression and will cause me to stop using chat in gmail for the most part.
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Balgairabout 8 years ago
Color me surprised, yet again. At this point, even gmail&#x27;s continuity is suspect. What can you trust Goog with these days? Maps is awful unless you want a hand-warmer on the slopes, Wave went kaput, now Talk? Are they trying to ruin my trust in them?
g9about 8 years ago
So, this is just funny to look how ad company with a lot of $$$ is playing with its toys and throwing it away as soon as it is already boring.
draw_downabout 8 years ago
They should just keep a constant URL that will redirect you to whatever is their current messaging&#x2F;calling product of the day. Jeez.
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joshstrangeabout 8 years ago
Google&#x27;s failure to produce a service&#x2F;system&#x2F;ecosystem around chat is astounding to me. Google Chat was around well before HipChat, Slack, Gitter, etc and yet they came in and ate Google&#x27;s lunch. At work we use HipChat but we pay for Google Apps for email&#x2F;drive&#x2F;etc. It&#x27;s crazy that Google Chat and Hangouts suck so much.
js2about 8 years ago
<i>This change does not impact Google Voice users who may continue to use Hangouts for their Google Voice SMS. Project Fi users who wish to use Hangouts as their SMS app will also not be impacted by this change</i><p>What kind of sense does that make? Does this mean that Voice and Fi users can&#x27;t use Android Messages for SMS? And what about MMS?
Animatsabout 8 years ago
They also want to destroy SMS, converting to &quot;RCS messaging powered by the Jibe RCS cloud from Google&quot;.
donatjabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;ve never understood that Hangouts… wasn&#x27;t Google Talk? I still don&#x27;t exactly understand.
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skdotdanabout 8 years ago
Unveiling Google Chat: a new messaging app from Google, that will coexist with Voice, Talk, Hangouts, Allo and G+ Messenger m, and eventually be canceled.
tloganabout 8 years ago
But they also mention that Hangouts API will stop working [1]. Which is kinda strange: if Hangouts is the new thing then why to shutdown the API?<p>I&#x27;m asking this more from a developer perspective: lets suppose one wants to integrate their app with google &quot;chat &#x2F; collaboration&quot; systems (like one can integrate with Slack, Facebook, etc.). What to do?<p>I have feeling that Google executives are thinking something like this &quot;lets just buy Slack and call the day&quot;.<p>What are you thoughts about this?<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theinquirer.net&#x2F;inquirer&#x2F;news&#x2F;3002204&#x2F;google-is-shutting-down-hangouts-api-as-it-lures-consumers-towards-allo-and-duo" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theinquirer.net&#x2F;inquirer&#x2F;news&#x2F;3002204&#x2F;google-is-s...</a>
hkdobrevabout 8 years ago
OK, Google Talk was a dead man walking for some time now. Even if it&#x27;s not a nice decision for open standards at least they made a final decision whether they are either improving it or killing it. However, Google have completely lost their mind with messengers. GTalk, Hangouts, Messages, Messenger, Allo, Duo, Chat, Meet. Some available only on mobile. Some supporting SMS, some working only with SMS. Allo having G assistant in chat, G assistant is only with voice on their pixel phone. The tipping point was when both Hangouts and Messages competed to handle my SMS messages and when Hangouts won because of Gmail integration, they removed SMS from it. They really need to get it together.
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martin1975about 8 years ago
...and this is why I no longer use any chat clients from Google... WhatsApp and Viber connect me to more than half the planet, and SMS, shitty as it is, works with just about everyone in the world. For everything else, we have email or file sharing.
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microcolonelabout 8 years ago
I still wonder why we can&#x27;t just do IM over SMTP. There&#x27;s already tonnes of volume, the latency is basically good enough, and the format has lots of room for progressive enhancement through the addition of parts and formats.<p>As someone who administrates a small SMTP peering group with a friend, I&#x27;m constantly baffled by the reinvention of the wheel. Presence could be easily signalled by messages which degrade gracefully. i.e. send a human-readable email that says you&#x27;re online or offline, with a presence header verified by DKIM&#x2F;SPF&#x2F;DMARC, or you could even revive Finger. Use whatever protocol between the mailserver and the client.
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accountfaceabout 8 years ago
Good. They should kill every chat app except for Hangouts and merge functionality.<p>They&#x27;re losing a lot of points with customers with the &quot;have 10 teams make 10 apps that do the same thing and slowly kill off support before discontinuing&quot; model.
vowellessabout 8 years ago
For a second I thought they were discontinuing Google voice and almost panicked as my main number is my Google voice number.<p>Actually, has anyone migrated away from Google voice to a better service ? I would be willing to pay a little bit.
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X86BSDabout 8 years ago
I have come to loathe Google. Android is a tire fire mess. It&#x27;s UI is horrible. And as bad as that is I have google fiber tv and that UI is even worse. Google does NOT get UI.<p>Everything short of gmail that they have tried to make work has failed. They don&#x27;t innovate. They create short lived products that bring in no extra ad revenue. Google is ripe for being replaced. It&#x27;s big but so was MS. You may love Google to death. I think they are a company with no vision, no innovation, and are milking the ad revenue teet. Someone is going to replace them.
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edpichlerabout 8 years ago
That&#x27;s why I think twice before adopting a Google Product.<p>Google Talk was really good, I miss a simple communication app like it was. The best I ever used, on my opinion.
chatmastaabout 8 years ago
I honestly couldn&#x27;t even tell you which google service &quot;google talk&quot; is. It&#x27;s amazing how incompetent their product teams are.
maverick_icemanabout 8 years ago
Maybe they make promotion decisions based on new product launches, incentivizing multiple products over the unsexy work of maintaining old ones.
grabcocqueabout 8 years ago
Remember the first law of Google services: if it&#x27;s not useful to sell you better to advertisers it&#x27;s not useful.
z3t4about 8 years ago
How do you manage to keep up with the latest messenger fashion ? I gave up when people changed from MSN to Skype. Then they changed to Facebook and now they are probably using Whatsapp or some other I don&#x27;t know of. When I want to chat I use IRC. And I&#x27;ve also setup asterisk as a SIP server for voice calls.
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Steeeveabout 8 years ago
All this discussion about what the future is in the messaging space...<p>The future is disarray, just like the present and just like the past.<p>IM isn&#x27;t a particularly difficult problem to solve, even at scale. (and certainly not at startup scale)<p>It&#x27;s not a good advertising medium, and nobody will ever spend significant money in that space.<p>It&#x27;s an add-on feel good service.
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wnevetsabout 8 years ago
Aka their best chat client. Instead of having one great chat platform they now have several not so great clients.
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geofftabout 8 years ago
What does this mean for the ability to search Hangouts conversations from the Gmail &quot;chats&quot; label? As far as I&#x27;m aware, there&#x27;s no native search in Hangouts itself (e.g., <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hangouts.google.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hangouts.google.com</a> ).
pgroteabout 8 years ago
A couple of questions concerning this announcement.<p>1) With the removal of SMS from Hangouts on Android does anyone know if this affects SMS in Hangouts on ChromeOS? 2) Is retiring a euphemism for killing in terms of Google Labs additions or does this mean they will still work, but won&#x27;t be made available to new users?<p>Thanks.
xnxabout 8 years ago
Like many, I&#x27;m supremely confused about this history and current state of Google&#x27;s various chat systems.<p>Does anyone know of a comprehensive timeline of all the various permutations? I would read it just to boggle at how many poor decisions could be made by a single company in a single category.
arrty88about 8 years ago
As part of our continued effort to focus Google+ around shared interests, we’re retiring two legacy Google+ features in Gmail: the ability to email Google+ profiles and the use of Google+ Circles. (Expected: No earlier than April 24, 2017)<p>Whaaaat? Emailing profiles was the most useful part of g+
math0neabout 8 years ago
I use pidgin, how does this affect me?
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nojvekabout 8 years ago
Google wants to be like Apple. Lean and mean but it&#x27;s got a big problem.<p>They want to release and try new things but also still be focused on the big money makers.<p>That means expect a lot of crap from Google like wave, allo, duo, buzz etc. Some hotshot inside Google wants a promo and pushes new products like popcorn.<p>But Google management needs to show $$$ so they need to focus on the big cows: search &amp; ads.<p>In Steve Jobs era a ton of shit would never even see the light of day.<p>Google literally has so much money and resources that it actually hurts them innovating.<p>Their best strategy is to acquire products with good market fit and scale the shit out of them.
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tehabeabout 8 years ago
The worst news in this announcement by Google is that &quot;Quote Selected Text&quot; in Gmail will be retired, it was essentially the only lab feature I used, I even got used to. I&#x27;m sad to see it go.
nawtacawpabout 8 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbxinaflash.com&#x2F;community&#x2F;threads&#x2F;r-i-p-google-voice-again.21208&#x2F;#post-129739" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbxinaflash.com&#x2F;community&#x2F;threads&#x2F;r-i-p-google-voice...</a><p>&quot;Looks like June 26 may be the final curtain call for Google Voice. Google today announced that it&#x27;s finally pulling the plug on Google Chat upon which Google Voice relies on the Asterisk platform.&quot;
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mindcrimeabout 8 years ago
<i>XMPP federation with third-party services providers will no longer be supported starting June 26.</i><p>Fuck you, Google. Just fuck you...
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bunnymancerabout 8 years ago
It&#x27;s weird when Apple has the better messenger app.. Even more so when they got into that position without actually changing anything..
drawkboxabout 8 years ago
Name a Google product that isn&#x27;t search and gmail that hasn&#x27;t been discontinued after <i>n</i> years. Google drive might hang around, and probably Google Cloud (though it was mainly AppEngine for a longtime only). But there is little faith in any Google platform if you are planning to build on it. I am still pissed about Google Reader.
jwilkabout 8 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;1361&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;1361&#x2F;</a>
dbg31415about 8 years ago
I was terrified when I first read this, I thought it was &quot;Google Voice&quot; but then I realized it wasn&#x27;t... and couldn&#x27;t for the life of me picture what Google Talk was since... we have Google Hangouts and couldn&#x27;t tell you the last time I even saw &quot;Google Talk&quot; anywhere.
tmalyabout 8 years ago
For them its a very smart move, if its a non-core part of the business that is not generating revenue, it makes sense.<p>From a user perspective, it is a bad play. Just like Google Reader, there were users that relied on the software. While it may save them money, it hurts them in other ways.
Markoffabout 8 years ago
and meanwhile I use for communication email, SMS and Skype longer than these Google products, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Viber and Wechat exist<p>only thing I have added is Signal because why not have one more messenger if it&#x27;s bundled with SMS anyway<p>when living in China was forced to use Wechat but got rid off that spyware immediately after moving outside, them had short stint with Facebook Messenger (Lite) until I decided it&#x27;s not worth to do any business with Facebook which is reason why I don&#x27;t have WhatsApp<p>I think I provide enough options for people to reach me with email, SMS, Skype (video&#x2F;chat), Signal (video&#x2F;chat)<p>so in the end i have 4 apps in phone covering all my communication - AOSP Email, AOSP Dialer, Skype Lite and Signal
gtirloniabout 8 years ago
At this point it would be better if they would just discontinue Talk, Hangouts, Allo, Duo, etc, etc, etc and focus on a single communications app. Give them a 6 month deadline and for the love of God, have a single app that I can use for chat, voice and video.
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tlowabout 8 years ago
At what point are they going to cancel google voice to force us into hangouts. The recent redesign makes me think not immediately, but initially with the G+ pushes they&#x27;ve held back functionality simply to force G+ products.
thekevanabout 8 years ago
My first thought was, &quot;wait, which Google chat app is that?&quot;
csoursabout 8 years ago
Does anyone have a timeline of Google messaging app changes?
peapickerabout 8 years ago
&quot;Third-party XMPP clients will continue to work with Hangouts for 1-on-1 chats.&quot;<p>For me, this means it basically still exists and my user experience is the same.
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bythckrabout 8 years ago
Gtalk was a great product like Google Reader.<p>Google is just proving how unreliable it is as a company. I have ditched by Gmail account before they ditch me.<p>Same with Chrome too.
smokedoutraiderabout 8 years ago
It seems like Google is constantly trying to simplify and streamline everything for developers and giving a big middle finger to the users.
madsabout 8 years ago
Its like Google is becoming a Javascript framework.
zevebabout 8 years ago
&gt; we’ve evolved Hangouts to focus on two new experiences<p>&gt; Google Talk launched in 2005 as a simple chat experience<p>To quote Inigo Montoya, &#x27;You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.&#x27;<p>&gt; As part of our continued effort to focus Google+ around shared interests, we’re retiring two legacy Google+ features in Gmail: the ability to email Google+ profiles and the use of Google+ Circles.<p>Sad to see Circles die — that&#x27;s what was compelling about Google+. I don&#x27;t even know what it is now.
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hprotagonistabout 8 years ago
&gt;XMPP federation with third-party services providers will no longer be supported starting June 26.<p>What does this actually mean?
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williamle8300about 8 years ago
Is anybody surprised anymore when Google shutters a project? It&#x27;s almost like their calling card.
WithHighProbabout 8 years ago
LOL years ago someone in mainland China copycat ICQ. Now the company he founded is known as Tencent.
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sunycabout 8 years ago
This is mostly towards g suite enterprise offering.