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Palmer Luckey Leaves Facebook

213 pointsby petergatsbyabout 8 years ago

23 comments

dansoabout 8 years ago
The TechCrunch write-up almost exclusively focuses on the &quot;Nimble America&quot; thing. I&#x27;m sure that didn&#x27;t help his standing at Facebook, but he&#x27;s been doing other things besides that failed Reddit campaign. Some more context in the Ars Technica writeup (I hadn&#x27;t remembered how much he was on the hook for the Zenimax charges):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;gaming&#x2F;2017&#x2F;03&#x2F;oculus-co-founder-palmer-luckey-leaves-facebook&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;gaming&#x2F;2017&#x2F;03&#x2F;oculus-co-founder-pal...</a><p>&gt; <i>Luckey did appear briefly at a January trial in which id Software owner Zenimax Media accused Oculus of misappropriating trade secrets. While Oculus was cleared of the worst of those charges, the company was found liable for $300 million for various related charges. Luckey himself was personally found liable for $50 million in damages.</i>
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marricksabout 8 years ago
I got big into VR partly because of him, enamored by an interview of him my girl friend pointed me to in 2013. He was young, enthusiastic, idealistic, relatable to me.<p>Well, as the years wear on he, and oculus itself, has established more of itself from the hacker&#x2F;open source vision. They’ve made enemies along the way, and many of the reasons people hate him&#x2F;Oculus I disagree with.<p>It’s an infant field, they need to fund games to even having reasonable games. Making games have become increasingly expensive. Sure there’s a place for indie devs, but those games don’t draw the mainstreamers VR needs to take off like I, and many others need.<p>That being said, the things I’ve heard and seen from him make me think he does emobdy the gamergate “tech bro” (and I do use that as a pejorative) make my stomach churn. That I can’t really forgive, and don’t want to support.<p>The privacy aspects of a Facebook (or google for that matter) owning VR, and getting access to what we <i></i>physically look at<i></i> for advertising, is such a gold mine. Totally terrifying. That’s one reason my next system will likely be something like the Vive, inspite of me finding Oculus far more polished and fun to have.<p>EDIT: Interestingly enough I asked him specifically on an AMA if he planned on staying at Oculus, his answer was an emphatic yes: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;pcmasterrace&#x2F;comments&#x2F;40ea0x&#x2F;i_am_palmer_luckey_founder_of_oculus_and_designer&#x2F;cytnax2&#x2F;?context=3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;pcmasterrace&#x2F;comments&#x2F;40ea0x&#x2F;i_am_p...</a>
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exogenyabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;m actually doubtful it has much to do with politics, if at all.<p>Dude is a world-class weirdo and an extremely bad communicator. So was Zuck, but he took media training and got..decent at it. Palmer didn&#x27;t and hasn&#x27;t, and there you go.
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drawkboxabout 8 years ago
In general, if you run a product or company it is a bad idea to get political. You instantly create 50% detractors when you need to always win about 60% support. Hold off politics activism until you have fuck you money.<p>In most cases politics is a waste of time, change the world via the market and products and focus on your own success. Don&#x27;t degrade your work by getting into politics, it is merely a divisive system today. Politics suck and they are past the point of grass roots influencing anything, only money works [1][2].<p>Palmer, like many other 20-somethings, got caught up in it. Political activism peaks around 27-30 ish, Usually by 30 you realize it is all bullshit and a waste of time other than voting and giving money to causes you believe in or that you think should win, quietly, on your own without sharing with the world your beliefs because others have differing beliefs.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;act.represent.us&#x2F;sign&#x2F;the-problem" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;act.represent.us&#x2F;sign&#x2F;the-problem</a><p>[2] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;blogs-echochambers-27074746" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;blogs-echochambers-27074746</a>
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devyabout 8 years ago
&gt; Facebook, which acquired the VR company almost exactly three years ago today.<p>Perhaps Palmer is able to 100% cash out all his stocks&#x2F;RSUs today so he&#x27;s out to do something else?
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nsxwolfabout 8 years ago
Is he really that &quot;embattled&quot;? Do people really have the energy to keep the outrage going this long?
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dotnetisnotdeadabout 8 years ago
Lesson of the day: Keep out of politics if you&#x27;re not on the &quot;correct&quot; side. If he walks away from VR we&#x27;ve all lost something.
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aphextronabout 8 years ago
Anyone seeing this as having any connection to the VR industry as a whole is completely ignorant on the subject. Palmer has repeatedly shown himself to be a toxic liability to the brand, and this was inevitable to anyone who follows Oculus.
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djhworldabout 8 years ago
Not sure how much he has in terms of liquid cash, but according to wikipedia his net worth is $730 million<p>He&#x27;ll be fine.
dayaz36about 8 years ago
Nothing in the entire article answered WHY he left. So it was because of the Trump thing?... Because that&#x27;s stupid reason. Mark Zuckerberg who is the actual CEO of facebook is getting bad press on a daily basis and for much worse reasons than Palmer Luckey. Nobody outside of the tech community even knows who Palmer Luckey is but because he funded some trump trolls he gets ousted from the company he started??...something just doesn&#x27;t sound right. Seems like a power play is happening behind the scenes and this is just an excuse
mtgxabout 8 years ago
I give it 12 months before John Carmack leaves, too.
spondylabout 8 years ago
While not directly talking about Palmer, I&#x27;m not surprised that Oculus is having these sorts of troubles (co-founder leaving&#x2F;lawsuit).<p>Being the first-movers in the VR space, or in the current wave of actually viable VR products, it&#x27;d be surprised if they turn out to be the dominant force in the space<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;First-mover_advantage#Resolution_of_technological_or_market_uncertainty" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;First-mover_advantage#Resoluti...</a>
timdeneauabout 8 years ago
Curious how this will affect Oculus, if much at all.<p>In the long run, I don’t think Oculus is good for the industry. Their room scale tracking hardware is inadequate, and their exclusive titles are dividing a fledgling market. I say this as a Vive owner and enthusiast. This along with the lawsuit… maybe it’s for the best.
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tannhauser23about 8 years ago
I wish him the best - he jump started this entire industry, which was for a long time in the realm of scifi. Go and read his IAMAs on Reddit: he&#x27;s clearly passionate and knowledgeable about VR. I hope he finds a proper outlet for his talents, now that he has the resources to do whatever he wants.
yuhongabout 8 years ago
Interestingly <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;user&#x2F;palmerluckey" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;user&#x2F;palmerluckey</a> shows no posts for almost a year.
nichocharabout 8 years ago
In my experience, innovators hate big companies. The culture and people there are all selfish, self involved, trying to &quot;beat the game&quot; by maximizing their RSUs, piggy backing on other people&#x27;s work.
cr0shabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;m not sure how I feel about this - ambivalent, I guess - pretty much how I felt after the FB acquisition.<p>I was a KS supporter - but I had followed Luckey for a while before on the MTBS3D forums, when he was just playing around, modding classic HMDs - mixing up the parts. He was one of only a handful of people that I could see who still played around with VR in that mid-to-late 1990s way. At the time, I thought that if there were anybody who could bring back VR, it was him.<p>I&#x27;ve played with DIY &quot;homebrew&quot; VR off and on since the mid-90s. I have a collection of old HMDs and other gear from the era. I&#x27;ve modded a powerglove, and at one time hooked it up to my Amiga and messed around with AMOS3D for fun with it. Later, Rend386...in short, I was disappointed to see VR die - so when the Kickstarter was announced, I was - to put it mildly - stoked.<p>That KS was the first one I backed (and not the last!) - I had high hopes, especially because Luckey had made a huge deal out of there being Linux support. With the FB deal, that was dropped, and that&#x27;s when for me at least, the gilding rubbed off revealing a more base interior to the whole thing. Still, I had hoped that it would all lead somewhere.<p>In a way, I guess it did. More people than ever before got to play around with VR and such, and experience it all in ways that in the mid-90s I could only dream about (the tech just didn&#x27;t exist at a price any normal person could afford). It was, though, a disappointment to hear that people were still having the same usage problems with this new tech that were the bane of VR back then.<p>Now it seems that once again, interest is waning. The hardware is still way too expensive for most people to come on board. People are still skeptical about what it is, whether it really works, or worried about side effects and other problems. Others simply don&#x27;t understand the concept of immersion - or if they do, they can&#x27;t seem to grasp why that would be such a great thing (I find it odd that some can&#x27;t understand the idea of being -inside- a virtual world - a world of make believe, a world of dreams? One would think that would be something everyone would be gung-ho about, but I guess not).<p>Then to find out Palmer&#x27;s true side, which - at least to me - wasn&#x27;t apparent before; conservative, a seeming &quot;I&#x27;ve got mine&quot; attitude (and I don&#x27;t begrudge his newfound wealth - in fact, I kinda proud for him on that mark), and bro-dude, let&#x27;s support our favorite cheeto-in-chief...<p>And then the whole Zenimax thing.<p>For me, his reputation has been horribly tarnished. I&#x27;m glad he gave the whole VR thing another boost, but at the same time, it looks likely that this is the last great &quot;hoorah&quot; for the technology, and it will likely never get another chance again - at least not in the &quot;gloves and goggles&quot; classic form we&#x27;ve come to associate the term &quot;VR&quot; with.<p>Perhaps that&#x27;s for the best.
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LeicaLatteabout 8 years ago
Politics takes up a lot of time and I don&#x27;t think creatives should get involved. Atleast not voluntarily.
staunchabout 8 years ago
I completely support and forgive Palmer Luckey. I hope for the world&#x27;s sake that he goes on to do more great things.<p>There are truly bad people in the world. People who deserve to be hated. Palmer Luckey is very far from being one of them. If you&#x27;re still piling on Palmer Luckey, you&#x27;re a real piece of shit human being.
aanm1988about 8 years ago
ooof. that sucks.<p>Kinda makes sense. Between the odd political stuff, the lawsuit where he was partially blamed, and the general poor PR at times.
mmanfrinabout 8 years ago
I don&#x27;t find it takes much energy to consider him a horrible person.<p>e: Downvoting because you disagree is not a proper use for your downvote button.
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Mao_Zedangabout 8 years ago
Peter Thiel next?
mozumderabout 8 years ago
Probably indicates that VR really is deader than dead. The only people this appeals to are the tech-bros.<p>I really don&#x27;t understand the Silicon Valley tech-bros that think VR has any hope. How do they not see the obvious user-experience problems, like motion sickness and limited visibility &amp; resolution, as well as its product liability issues, like always falling down along with running into walls and breaking things? If you think VR is a solution, then we know you&#x27;re a bad product designer.<p>The first generation of VR died out because of product-liability issues. Did those fundamental issues get solved? No.
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