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'Extreme vetting' would require visitors to US to share contacts and passwords

80 pointsby finidabout 8 years ago

12 comments

svemeabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;m wondering how my company would react if I declined any further traveling to the US on business trips. I hated the experience at the US border controls before, but that goes definitely way beyond anything I would find acceptable.<p>The cost to the US economy would be way beyond the tiny gains in security, if there would even be any.
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jakelazaroffabout 8 years ago
I really don&#x27;t understand the logic that leads to decisions like this. The vaaaaaaast majority of recent terror attacks in the US have been committed by US citizens.<p>There really doesn&#x27;t seem to be any reason for this decision except bigotry and xenophobia.
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faragonabout 8 years ago
That&#x27;s not an incentive for visiting the US as tourist, nor for business. I would expect that from North Korea, and not from &quot;the land of freedom&quot;, unless foreigners are not considered human beings anymore there.
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Banthumabout 8 years ago
Why does the headline present this as a known fact, while the sub-headline clarifies the fact that this is just a theoretical and unconfirmed possibility?<p>&quot;Trump administration’s proposed changes <i>may</i> mean travelers from countries including UK, France, Australia and Japan have to share digital information&quot; (emphasis mine).<p>Maybe they could wait to report until they actually know the information they&#x27;re reporting on?<p>I&#x27;m afraid I&#x27;ve learned to totally disregard headlines containing weasel words like &quot;may&quot;, &quot;might&quot;, &quot;could&quot;, etc. It&#x27;s a sign of motivated manipulation of information and click-baitism.
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grizzlesabout 8 years ago
Sounds pretty counterproductive, unless it&#x27;s designed to keep out democrats &#x2F; supporters, not terrorists. Under this system, any serious terrorist is just going to create a clean legend. Just because terrorists are terrible people doesn&#x27;t mean they are also lazy.
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Daishimanabout 8 years ago
As soon as this happens you can say goodbye to the US as the global business hub.
brentmabout 8 years ago
&gt; Trump administration’s proposed changes may mean travelers from countries including UK, France, Australia and Japan have to share digital information<p>This is absolute garbage. Like everything rating machine DJT does this is hopefully only for headlines. If it does really happen though expect those countries to impose the exact same restrictions on us.<p>Like most Trump plans it doesn&#x27;t make practical sense. If this password disclosure was to become a true process once people are aware they will take corrective actions to hide their online identities. This will stop nothing but it will impact all of us. I know I am not going to give up my personal details at the border of any country and it&#x27;s not fair to expect anyone else to do that entering this country.<p>This administration is just so depressing day in and day out, absolute pandering to the most backwards looking Americans.
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panglottabout 8 years ago
The article states that this would affect travelers on tourist visas from visa-waiver countries. Madness.<p>Hopefully this is just a trial balloon that will get shot down in a normal policy process—these are just ideas being considered.
theandrewbaileyabout 8 years ago
This is not necessary. The NSA can get, or already has gotten, this information. I guess all that intergovernmental data sharing after 9&#x2F;11 has stopped, or maybe even the NSA hates the TSA.
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natchabout 8 years ago
It seems the Trump people are completely ignorant of the practice of taqiyya (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Taqiya" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Taqiya</a>).
the_hattarabout 8 years ago
Aside from the obvious issues of principle, why don&#x27;t people just say they don&#x27;t have social accounts? I actually don&#x27;t have Facebook but even if I did it seems like a border agent would have a tough time finding it and linking it to me. It all just seems so unenforceable.
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wslhabout 8 years ago
Sadly there is only one US, no country competes with US in business culture and capital torrent. I cannot close business deals with other people in different cultures at the speed I do in US, in a win&#x2F;win condition, and with enough budget.<p>This is a very interesting subject to discuss, so please reply if you don&#x27;t agree. For 15 years I have been personally doing business with cultures across more than 30 countries. One of my favorite papers on this subject is &quot;Cultural Biases in Economic Exchange?&quot; [1]<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kellogg.northwestern.edu&#x2F;faculty&#x2F;sapienza&#x2F;htm&#x2F;cultural_biases.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kellogg.northwestern.edu&#x2F;faculty&#x2F;sapienza&#x2F;htm&#x2F;cul...</a>
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