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Ask HN: The most cyberpunk city in the world?

70 pointsby zabanaabout 8 years ago
I'm currently re-reading Neuromancer by William Gibson. I Love how he describes the different cities in the book and I was wondering which city in our current time best fits the archetype. (Shanghai comes to mind but I'm curious to know your opinion)

21 comments

19eightyfourabout 8 years ago
Okay, tbh, I&#x27;m going to vote against all map points on the de rigeur &quot;tech metropolis&quot; list.<p>TOKYO, HK, SHANGHAI, SHENZHEN, SEOUL, or &lt;insert yet-another East-Asian megacity here.&gt;<p>No to all of them. Why? They&#x27;re really more capitalist mega-aggregations of labour and value...tech, either consumer-side or industry-side and any, cyber-punk under-side to these places is really, despite their (arguably somewhat faded) romance, these days is a side effect ( okay, maybe 1990s-era Harajuku FRUiTS style aside ).<p>I&#x27;m going to vote for someplace in Africa as actually the most cyberpunk.<p>I&#x27;ve never been there, but bear with me. High mobile phone usage but lots of shanty towns, mobile finance but still open air barter markets. And they do a lot of destroy&#x2F;recycle&#x2F;resell of tech ( old computers, old tvs, old batteries, old ships ). It&#x27;s technologically advanced, but it&#x27;s also still animist and voodoo. The internet didn&#x27;t just &quot;get adopted&quot;, it got &quot;inhaled&quot; and started changing everything, because things were still flexible enough to be changed.<p>Look maybe I&#x27;m just TOOMA, and someone who actually knows and has lived there can set this perspective straight. But for sake of freshness of updating the conception of &quot;cyperpunk&quot; I&#x27;m going against the grain of passing the crown around the clique of Asian megacities, to someplace maybe a little more grungy, maybe a little more deserving of the mantle of &quot;cyberpunk&quot;.<p>A place where you could still imagine, perhaps, an organic &quot;phreaking&quot; culture existing even today, accompanied by reverse engineering and zines, distributed by bicycle couriers to people cool enough to be included in such secrets.<p>I know Africa is not glittering spires of glass and steel, but is that really so cyberpunk in our current time? Isn&#x27;t the essence of cyberpunk something a little more bustling but raw-and-real, and digital but down-to-earth?
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konartabout 8 years ago
Norilsk<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;i&#x2F;pix&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;26&#x2F;09&#x2F;3094F19C00000578-3416963-image-a-28_1453800639491.jpg" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;i.dailymail.co.uk&#x2F;i&#x2F;pix&#x2F;2016&#x2F;01&#x2F;26&#x2F;09&#x2F;3094F19C0000057...</a>
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gcmartinelliabout 8 years ago
Watching this documentary (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=SGJ5cZnoodY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=SGJ5cZnoodY</a>) about Shenzhen I got a very strong cyberpunk vibe, especially the last 1&#x2F;3 of it. People at the streets fixing electronics, cheap&#x2F;pirated circuit boards being sold at the curb, etc.
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altern8tifabout 8 years ago
Definitely Hong Kong. I just came back from a holiday there and the bus ride from the airport to Kowloon amidst towering brutalist apartments made me feel like I&#x27;m entering a dystopian metropolis.
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hack_eduabout 8 years ago
Oakland, CA is a strong contender if you step back. Especially for one of a Stephensonian-styled second-wave cyberpunk. It even plays a part in Neuromancer.<p>It has its dark parts along with strong facets of common cyberpunk themes: drastic social stratification, the social acceptance of regular drug usage, urban decay meets technocratic renewal, a renewed definition of suburbia, and a greater acceptance of non-binary genders.
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arethuzaabout 8 years ago
I don&#x27;t know about &quot;cyberpunk&quot; but every time the Dubai screensaver comes on my Apple TV I&#x27;m pleased to find I must be living in the future:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=bucV8Y_p0ME" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=bucV8Y_p0ME</a><p>Edit: All that video needs is an Elysium style flying Bugatti.
dollahollaabout 8 years ago
There are pockets of it everywhere. There&#x27;s a filthy bodega in uptown Manhattan with expired produce on the shelves, but there&#x27;s a Bitcoin ATM and young kids hang out there and barter stolen Uber accounts for Bitcoin.
Raphmediaabout 8 years ago
Kowloon Walled City.<p>It is no more but it was amazing that such a city ever existed. Read on it.<p>It was a city build on itself, cube shaped. Some people would spend their entire day inside or in the middle of the city and would never see the sun.<p>Search it on Google Image and you will understand what I mean.
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Baeocystinabout 8 years ago
Judging by Marilyn Mugot&#x27;s photography, I&#x27;d say somewhere in China.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;artanddesign&#x2F;gallery&#x2F;2017&#x2F;mar&#x2F;02&#x2F;marilyn-mugot-neon-china-in-pictures" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;artanddesign&#x2F;gallery&#x2F;2017&#x2F;mar&#x2F;02...</a>
cx1000about 8 years ago
For those not familiar with the term cyberpunk (like me), this is what Wikipedia has to say<p>&gt; Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction in a future setting that tends to focus on society as &quot;high tech low life&quot; featuring advanced technological and scientific achievements, such as information technology and cybernetics, juxtaposed with a degree of breakdown or radical change in the social order.
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beaconstudiosabout 8 years ago
the now-demolished Walled City of Kowloon was a great example of the dereliction&#x2F;&quot;street culture&quot; side of cyberpunk fiction, very reminiscent of the &quot;underbelly&quot; image of cities like Midgar from FF7 or Hengsha in DX:HR. Also places like Lagos with a high rate of internet technology paired with scrap pickers and DIY recycling.<p>For the economic side of cyberpunk (the capitalist dystopia side), I&#x27;d say Hong Kong. A city with a booming economy and ample opportunity for international corporations but where the poorest citizens live in literal cages: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;all-that-is-interesting.com&#x2F;cage-homes-hong-kong" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;all-that-is-interesting.com&#x2F;cage-homes-hong-kong</a><p>For the neon&#x2F;e-billboard aesthetic, you can&#x27;t really beat Tokyo or Times Square, NY.
z3ugmaabout 8 years ago
Dubai! The tallest building in the world, 2 of the tallest residential buildings, fringed by uninhabitable desert. Built on credit, on the backs of south Asian and Filipino indentured servants. An Instagram paradise for the global elite.
alphydanabout 8 years ago
Not a city, but close to Barcelona there is an old factory which has been occupied and had a strong cyberpunk vibe when I visited <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;greenhousingwelfare.wordpress.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;04&#x2F;14&#x2F;ca-la-fou-colonia-ecoindustrial-postcapitalista&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;greenhousingwelfare.wordpress.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;04&#x2F;14&#x2F;ca-la-f...</a> (they self describe as an eco-industrial post-capitalist community)
boutcherabout 8 years ago
Definitely not Shanghai (unless you consider everyone heads-down on their phones a symptom of cyberpunk.)<p>Shenzhen is a good choice though.<p>How about Tallinn
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arcasterabout 8 years ago
Maybe an unlikely choice, but I actually think Boston, especially chinatown in Boston is incredibly cyberpunk. Yes, I might be biased since I went to school in Boston and a huge fan of the Fallout series.<p>If I had to give a structure &#x2F; area outside chinatown, the trench that the commuter lines and orange-line run through are incredibly cyberpunk.
konartabout 8 years ago
Something like this is almost Oshii&#x27;s gits <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;archillect&#x2F;status&#x2F;699657007599656962&#x2F;photo&#x2F;1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;archillect&#x2F;status&#x2F;699657007599656962&#x2F;pho...</a>
ttamabout 8 years ago
Either somewhere in Asia or Berlin
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FullMtlAlcoholcabout 8 years ago
Taipei. I was only there for a couple of days but where I stayed had that Kowloon walled City feel to it and I went to a rave in the lush, jungle like mountains.
Risseabout 8 years ago
Hong Kong is a great contender
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deathtrader666about 8 years ago
Maybe Seoul, South Korea?
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sailfastabout 8 years ago
Bangkok, Thailand.