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Ask HN: Previously employed; no CS degree. Should I enroll in a bootcamp?

3 pointsby autoreleasepoolabout 8 years ago
Hi HN,<p>I feel so stuck. I&#x27;m 25 and live with my parents. I do not have a CS degree (I have a BA in Economics). A year ago, I quit my full-time job as maintainer of a legacy C++ code base due to mental health issues (manic episodes). Before that, I worked as an iOS developer.<p>Thanks to therapy, I am now back on my feet mentally, but I&#x27;m struggling with the job market. I&#x27;ve been unemployed for an entire year. I&#x27;ve worked on side projects and tried to broaden my skill set by learning Ruby on Rails and JavaScript, but I still get little to no response from employers.<p>I&#x27;m starting to think it&#x27;s the lack of CS degree combined with employment gap that&#x27;s holding me back. Basically, I lost the traction I would have had if I hadn&#x27;t quit. I also worry that my previous job was a fluke; I basically got it for being a huge C++ geek during the interview.<p>My therapist suggested I do a 10-week coding bootcamp. She claims since I&#x27;ll likely be &quot;top of my class&quot; I&#x27;ll get solid employment opportunities and contacts. Is this a good idea?

4 comments

wincyabout 8 years ago
It&#x27;s easy to be down on yourself. As someone who struggled with mental health issues in the past (anxiety and depression runs in my family) I have a few thoughts on this, not necessarily unique to your situation, but I hope it&#x27;s helpful.<p>1) Don&#x27;t mention your mental health issues to your employer. Maybe one day you can reveal it, I&#x27;ve discussed my anxiety issues with my boss, but it wasn&#x27;t until I&#x27;d been at work and kicking ass for over a year. People are more empathetic once they know you. I don&#x27;t know if you&#x27;re actually interviewing but admitting that you were out of work for a year because of manic episodes is a surefire way to never get work. You have a bachelors degree + experience, those are the two things 99% of employers care about. Maybe have someone else review your resume?<p>2) Therapy is helpful but keep in mind while they may be an expert in psychology, he or she isn&#x27;t an expert in the hiring landscape of computer science. At least in my job market a coding bootcamp wouldn&#x27;t make sense at all for anyone who has ever had a job as a software engineer.<p>3) It&#x27;s easy to be down on yourself and think it was &quot;just a fluke&quot;, but programming is hard! If someone employed you for a year you can cut it. If it was &quot;just a fluke&quot; you would have been out of there in a month. &quot;Being a huge c++ geek&quot; makes me think you are feeling imposter syndrome, the fact that you -can- geek out over C++ makes you better than 90% of the applicants we get when we&#x27;re looking for a new dev.<p>You can do it! I personally wouldn&#x27;t suggest the coding bootcamp. It&#x27;d just be busy work, and I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;d help your job prospects that much.
WindyCityBrewabout 8 years ago
Take any suggestions you see here with a grain of salt, but my ¢2. Being &#x27;the top of the class&#x27; at a boot camp doesn&#x27;t mean much, unless you have a chance of being hired on as an instructor (which can be very well paid). As a former bootcamper, the people that did the best in the job hunt were those with CS degrees (for the reasons you mentioned), those who hustled like hell to land a job, and then maybe those who did best in the course.<p>If you already have your LinkedIn, GitHub, personal site, and dynamic resume tailored to post locked in; I&#x27;d suggest trying to get take-home coding challenges from companies that you can give them back on github&#x2F;bitbucket. Bring it up in cover letters &#x2F; phone screens. It will help you ramp up on the skills employers want, and it shouldn&#x27;t take too many before you get an offer.
weatherlightabout 8 years ago
This is a great idea, the better the Bootcamp, the more likely you are to get a job. Think of it as a way to buy into a network. The good Bootcamps will also set time aside for whiteboarding, how to interview, creating a compelling portfolio etc.<p>Not all Bootcamps are created equal. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.switchup.org&#x2F;locations&#x2F;nyc-coding-bootcamp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.switchup.org&#x2F;locations&#x2F;nyc-coding-bootcamp</a>
samanganabout 8 years ago
Honestly there is not enough information given for us to give a lot of useful advice.<p>Here is some information we would need to give more helpful information:<p><pre><code> - What type of positions &#x2F; companies are you applying to? This is important, because I can imagine applying for dev jobs at small rails shops would be difficult because they are looking for people who can hit the ground running on day 0 (Ie: They are looking for rails at your last job). - My parents do not live anywhere near tech jobs. Are you located near a good number of tech jobs where you can cast a wide net?</code></pre>
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