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Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

82 pointsby sukruhabout 8 years ago

12 comments

bpodgurskyabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;ve read the Economist for a long time, and they should be ashamed of themselves for not calling out how wrong they were when Erdogan was first elected.<p>Their line was that the AK&#x27;s &quot;moderate Islamism&quot; would be good for democracy long-term, and anyone who was afraid of political Islam was regressive.<p>Yeah, sometimes editors and opinion pieces are wrong. But admit it when you are -- I haven&#x27;t seen the Economist staff learn anything from this sad episode.
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TillEabout 8 years ago
The only thing about this which surprises me is how Erdogan seemed to really want Turkey to become a member of the EU, and yet has been actively doing everything he can to make that impossible.<p>Then again, he tends to say and do a lot of odd things, so I guess the simple answer is to not assume any kind of competence or rational thinking from political leaders.
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treehau5about 8 years ago
This is even more reason to contribute to activists trying to stop the conversion of Hagia Sophia into a Mosque. It is a piece of 6th century history that we as a civilization just cannot afford to lose.
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gkyaabout 8 years ago
So saddening the amount of ignorance and hate I see here in HN regarding my country. I wish nothing about Turkey gets submitted again here so that I can continue to visit HN as a hackers&#x27; and tech entrepreneurs&#x27; forum.<p>You clearly don&#x27;t know anything about our history. You don&#x27;t even know who we are. You insult us with your superficial readings of superficial wikipedia articles. We don&#x27;t need this at all.<p>We&#x27;re having hard times, but I still have hope. After all, civilisation was invented here. I wish we were able to export the better parts too.
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acchowabout 8 years ago
<p><pre><code> The West must not abandon Turkey </code></pre> Huh? So are we supposed to meddle in other countries&#x27; politics and government? Or are we not?
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c3534labout 8 years ago
The problem is the vote has likely already been counted and any voting is just for an aura of legitimacy.
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rdmsrabout 8 years ago
All you need for constitutional reform is a 50% majority on a referendum. That seems way too easy.
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gefhabout 8 years ago
Sliding? More like rushing full throttle. Ataturk would be disgusted.
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peregrix1about 8 years ago
Yeah, Turkey is sliding into dictatorship but Egypt is doing very well.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;leaders&#x2F;21709955-belatedly-and-under-pressure-abdel-fattah-al-sisi-has-done-some-hard-necessary-things-two" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;leaders&#x2F;21709955-belatedly-and...</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;middle-east-and-africa&#x2F;21709971-abdel-fattah-al-sisis-reforms-will-make-him-unpopular-can-he-stand-it-sense-and" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;middle-east-and-africa&#x2F;2170997...</a><p>Erdogan was &quot;moderate&quot; when &quot;Western Democracies&quot; was able to call a coup a coup and Syria wasn&#x27;t a testing bed for weapons.<p>It looks they need a smokescreen for the blunder in Europe, Syria and ME in general and with his figure Erdo-guy is the best candidate. Oh &quot;The Sultan&quot;, &quot;The Barbar Turk is at the gates&quot;, &quot;figthing with the poor Kurds&quot;, &quot;journalist jailer&quot;, &quot;coup was a theater&quot; etc.<p>Did you really learn anything from the article about what changes in the constitution and what doesn&#x27;t? According to the narrative Turkey was a &quot;dictatorship&quot; a year ago too, is a close &quot;Yes&quot; (or &quot;No&quot;) in a referendum a typical political behavior of dictatorial politics, right?<p>Sorry. When the West reacts like this (and doesn&#x27;t react to real dictators unless they piss to their lawn), it more and more looks like Western intellectual&#x27;s main mission is to create a narrative to open a path for exploitation&#x2F;military politics. God may have died but &quot;Deus Vult&quot; still lives.
nomercy400about 8 years ago
Now I wonder, what will the NATO do when Turkey becomes a dictatorship.
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boboshaabout 8 years ago
sliding?
soaredabout 8 years ago
This website is disgusting. I have to close four dialog boxes and the content takes is ~30% of my screen. I expected better from the economist.
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