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Ask HN: Is the outrage over Unroll.me selling Lyft receipts to Uber warranted?

9 pointsby pccampbellabout 8 years ago
Unroll.me is a popular inbox tool for unsubscribing to email newsletters. They monetize by selling your data through Slice Media (and don&#x27;t really talk about this on their marketing site). In Mike Isaac&#x27;s profile on Travis Kalanick of Uber, it was revealed Uber engineer&#x2F;growth folks bought this anonymized receipt data.<p>Original article: https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mobile.nytimes.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;04&#x2F;23&#x2F;technology&#x2F;travis-kalanick-pushes-uber-and-himself-to-the-precipice.html

8 comments

mankash666about 8 years ago
Yes!! Nobody reads the fine print on the EULA. Companies are hiding behind this to do things customers wouldn&#x27;t otherwise allow. If unroll explicitly stated their inbox scraping and data selling aspect as loudly as their unsubscribe &quot;USP&quot;, no one would use them
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username223about 8 years ago
Yes. The CEO is &quot;heartbroken&quot; for being caught, but he should probably be &quot;pocketbook-broken&quot; for it, since he apparently has no morals: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.unroll.me&#x2F;we-can-do-better&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.unroll.me&#x2F;we-can-do-better&#x2F;</a> .
Digoryabout 8 years ago
Yes. I think it&#x27;s fair to say Unroll.me wasn&#x27;t being honest about data use.<p>The service was supposed to identify spammy e-mail by address or subject, and file them away. It&#x27;s part of the business model to screen e-mail addresses and subject lines, I suppose. And I could understand them selling analytics on the contents of rolled-up items -- Wal-Mart wants to know what Target is selling, and demographics about those receiving offers, etc. You&#x27;d get some interesting data about what offers actually get clicks, too.<p>But the NYT article says they&#x27;re selling numerical data out of Lyft receipts. That&#x27;s not spam. At no point did they disclose they would troll through your non-spam e-mail for words or numbers interesting to the highest bidder.
pccampbellabout 8 years ago
On one hand this is similar to all kinds of financial institutions who sell your data (which is why you&#x27;ll get a bunch of credit card offers). It&#x27;s a bit better than those, because it at least appears like the emails&#x2F;receipts are anonymized.<p>On the other hand, this was hidden deep in the TOS and Privacy Policies, whereas some extra disclosure probably would have helped the backlash they&#x27;re getting today.<p>I hate the phrase &quot;if you&#x27;re not paying, then you&#x27;re the product&quot;, because plenty of freemium models don&#x27;t follow that narrative, but in this case it seems crystal clear. I supposed we&#x27;re just seeing how naive people can be with their personal data (email inboxes).
AznHisokaabout 8 years ago
If there is no outrage over SimilarWeb&#x2F;Jumpshot buying Google Chrome browser extensions and tracking every url (even https ones like banking sites) you visit.. and selling that data, then why would anyone be outraged over this specific scenario?
willyshepsabout 8 years ago
I didn&#x27;t know Unroll.me was using inbox data for this, but I can&#x27;t say that I&#x27;m surprised. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
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newsat13about 8 years ago
All companies must have basic ethics. It&#x27;s a given that nobody reads EULA, privacy &amp; terms documents. Given that, each company must take the responsibility to explain to the customer what it knows will be objectionable. For example, if Lyft sold me travel information to 3rd parties, I expect them to tell me this up front and not hide this behind some legalese.
joshdanceabout 8 years ago
I think it is warranted in that it is surprise. They don&#x27;t say &quot;We will look at your emails and sell the data.&quot;<p>I used Unroll.me I thought they just sold ads.<p>The original article about the sale doesn&#x27;t talk about selling the data <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;11&#x2F;24&#x2F;rakuten-slice-buys-unroll-me&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;11&#x2F;24&#x2F;rakuten-slice-buys-unroll-...</a>