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Wendelstein 7-X stellarator getting ready for the next phase of operation [pdf]

122 pointsby clonabout 8 years ago

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shaqbertabout 8 years ago
Wendelstein 7-x is really not fusion research, but plasma physics research. At the energy&#x2F;temperature levels and magnetic field strength this machine is operating, plasma is showing all kinds of undesirable behavior, such as turbulence, radial forces... a little bit like the storms on Jupiter. This imposes many challenges, because as soon as the plasma escapes the magnetic field and touches the vessel, it rapidly cools - ending any potential fusion.<p>Wendelstein&#x27;s goal is to find out the viability of the stellarator concept, to see if it could be on par with the Tokamak concept, which so far have shown a better ratio of energy invested and energy won back, but come with their own bag of problems.<p>What the folks at Wendelstein are doing is a step by step verification of some of the hypothesis. There is this excellent 3h podcast with the scientific leader of Wendelstein [0], unfortunately it is in German. It is fascinating to hear their story on how they build this ultra complex piece of kit. The current change is the shielding of the vessel, which now permits higher energy levels and longer runs. Their long term goal is to operate at 100m K for 30 min.<p>Regarding the &quot;when we should stop trying&quot; and &quot;it is 30 years out&quot; adage: There has been great progress made in improving the ratio of energy invested and energy won back, the G-factor. Right now no fusion reactor is crossing the G &gt; 1 limit. But Iter would be design to yield about G = 5. Newer designs using high temperature superconductors could even yield G &gt; 10 with a smaller footprint. For more on the current state of fusion research, this video [1] from MIT is fantastic, albeit 1h long.<p>[0]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;alternativlos.org&#x2F;36&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;alternativlos.org&#x2F;36&#x2F;</a><p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;L0KuAx1COEk?t=37m23s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;L0KuAx1COEk?t=37m23s</a>
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phkahlerabout 8 years ago
And just the other day we had a link here where a retired physicist was saying fusion is not likely to work, and if it does it will produce radioactive waste much like fission.<p>I propose we make a reactor large enough to use gravitational confinement and get the energy out via electromagnetic radiation. We could make it safe by having it operate in vacuum at a safe distance from the earth.
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twicabout 8 years ago
Meanwhile, in boring-shaped fusion reactor news, boringly-named Tokamak Energy switched on their new reactor, the ST40, today:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.world-nuclear-news.org&#x2F;NN-Tokamak-Energy-turns-on-ST40-fusion-reactor-28041701.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.world-nuclear-news.org&#x2F;NN-Tokamak-Energy-turns-on...</a><p>They only switched it on for a &#x27;glow discharge test&#x27;, but hey:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=YNrhTYhUXJc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=YNrhTYhUXJc</a><p>Reactor teardown, sort of:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jRyUWOUk_48" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jRyUWOUk_48</a>
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mozumderabout 8 years ago
So, assuming these work great.. what are the next steps to get fusion energy production?<p>Are there fundamental limits that prevent these designs from producing a commercially profitable neighborhood reactor for, say $1 million?<p>Actually, what&#x27;s the smallest scale possible for these stellerators? Can one be produced table-top sized, to say, power a ship or train or even a car?<p>So many questions...
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mrfusionabout 8 years ago
What&#x27;s the next phase? When does it start?<p>(I don&#x27;t know if there&#x27;s a problem with my reading comprehension or what?)
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colonelxcabout 8 years ago
Home page for the project, which provides some higher level details: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ipp.mpg.de&#x2F;w7x" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ipp.mpg.de&#x2F;w7x</a>
mandelkenabout 8 years ago
only 10 years too late..
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janemanosabout 8 years ago
Back in the sixties some scientist said &quot;Fusion is ready in 20 years&quot;, then in the eighties some others said it again, and in the 2000&#x27;s the next ones... but hey, I don&#x27;t care how long it will take as long as humankind strives for such stuff I&#x27;m fine