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Wikipedia blocked in Turkey

850 pointsby alansammaroneabout 8 years ago

33 comments

RcouF1uZ4gsCabout 8 years ago
I think 2016 will go down as the high water mark for a global Internet. I see a lot of countries looking at the success of China in keeping political control, and the failure of Egypt, Tunisia, etc where the open Internet was used to overthrow the regime and deciding that allowing an open, free internet is not in their best interests. If you think that Western, liberal democracies are exempt from this, just look at the attention &quot;fake news&quot; and &quot;no platform&quot; have been getting. We are going away from the free and open interchange and discussion of ideas (even horrible ideas) to the coercive suppression of ideas (at this point bad ideas, but may not be true in the future).<p>Add to this that a large portion of the web content is controlled by fewer entities (if Facebook or Google bans your site, you are not going to get very much exposure). Also, we are moving from user controlled general purpose computers to secured, walked garden devices. The government by applying pressure on maybe a dozen companies, can control what type of information the average person is exposed to.<p>And the whole dodge that the first amendment only applies to the government is dangerous. Freedom of speech is as much a principle as a law. If we get used to large powerful non-government entities suppressing speech we do not like, it will be a brief step to accepting government doing the same or at least pressuring the non-government entities to so it.
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belochabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;m a canuck who has worked with Turks and has visited Turkey. They&#x27;re a wonderful people from a beautiful country with a real problem of a person in power. Turkey is almost entirely Muslim, yet they produce alcohol and tolerate its consumption within their borders, even by their own people. Let that fact sink in for a moment. Erdogan is subverting the <i>premier secular democracy</i> of the Islamic world, but nobody seems to <i>care</i>.<p>Turkey is <i>nothing</i> like the common stereotypes we have of it in the West, but Erdogan is a guy who, I think, wants to change that. A wonderful human being who I&#x27;ve had the privilege of knowing is currently in prison in Turkey on absolutely baseless accusations[1]. Nobody in Canada gives a damn because he was an &quot;Imam&quot;, and that&#x27;s a scary word apparently.<p>People in the West need to wake up and do their due diligence on Erdogan&#x27;s regime. There&#x27;s some seriously scary stuff happening because of this guy.<p>[1]<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;canada&#x2F;calgary&#x2F;davud-hanci-turkey-coup-charge-judge-1.4015590" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;canada&#x2F;calgary&#x2F;davud-hanci-turkey-cou...</a>
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sethbannonabout 8 years ago
Meanwhile, in the U.S., the administration is taking down government websites in an effort to bury climate data and scientific information. Useful to remember it&#x27;s not just countries like China and Turkey that try to limit citizens&#x27; access to information.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;energy-environment&#x2F;wp&#x2F;2017&#x2F;04&#x2F;28&#x2F;epa-website-removes-climate-science-site-from-public-view-after-two-decades&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;energy-environment&#x2F;wp&#x2F;20...</a>
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adtacabout 8 years ago
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;meta.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Data_dump_torrents#English_Wikipedia" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;meta.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Data_dump_torrents#English_W...</a><p>A data dump of all English Wikipedia articles as a torrent. In case you are not able to access that, here&#x27;s the direct link: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;itorrents.org&#x2F;torrent&#x2F;6434C646E33D02F3CDCB9C15F9DF11A6C2064624.torrent" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;itorrents.org&#x2F;torrent&#x2F;6434C646E33D02F3CDCB9C15F9DF11...</a><p>On a side note, I think it&#x27;s fantastic that we have the entire Wikipedia, possibly the greatest effort towards organizing the world&#x27;s information, at our fingertips.
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kakambaabout 8 years ago
As suggested by others, it&#x27;s a court order. Turkish officials demanded a few things from wikipedia. The main item was to remove all content where Turkey is shown supporting ISIS, but they didn&#x27;t receive a response, and the repercussion was blocking access nationwide.
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maehwasuabout 8 years ago
To what degree is Erdogan&#x27;s regime a problem of not enough democracy, as opposed to a fundamental problem with democracy itself? (Where democracy = 51% wins)
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StavrosKabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;m assuming Tor circumvents the ban, correct? I&#x27;m going to tell all my Turkish friends to install Tor and signal, and be sad that Turkey has reached this point.
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RichardHeartabout 8 years ago
Much of this problem comes not from the top, but from the bottom. It&#x27;s a terrible idea that people can actually suck, and suck en masse, but it truly is the case. The bad leader is an emergent consequent of the bad people crying for him. Shitty leaders aren&#x27;t the sole purview of Islamic states, but they seem to be better at generating them than anyone else in recent history.<p>How do you fix millions of people, so they stop desiring terrible things? Well, by having a culture that pays better, and marketing it well. And it&#x27;s delicate, because their &quot;better&quot; detector isn&#x27;t working properly already.
kyriakosabout 8 years ago
What triggered this?<p>Usually Turkish government blocks sites right after a terrorist attack or in the case of the coup attempt. Is something about to happen?
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jumpkickhitabout 8 years ago
Are torrents being blocked? What about Kwix and a torrent of Wikipedia?<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.kiwix.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Main_Page" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.kiwix.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Main_Page</a> <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.kiwix.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Content_in_all_languages" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiki.kiwix.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Content_in_all_languages</a>
quickbenabout 8 years ago
Isn&#x27;t one of the requirements of being in NATO a democracy?<p>With moves like this from Turkey, what will happen to the NATO membership?
JumpCrisscrossabout 8 years ago
There is some irony in Erdogan&#x27;s desire for EU membership, last decade, creating such a primacy of elected leaders (at the EU&#x27;s behest and guidance) that the previous guardians of Turkey&#x27;s secular heritage, the military, is no longer able to stage a coup against the emerging despot.
macawfishabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;m seeing a lot of comments about this structure vs. that structure, but to paraphrase an old Sufi proverb someone told me, it doesn&#x27;t matter what the cup is made of (gold? wood?), it matters what&#x27;s in the cup (good water?). It doesn&#x27;t matter what your government or family structures look like if they aren&#x27;t able to facilitate healthy individuals and groups. If they are facilitating the health of some and the detriment of others, well then they are wittingly or unwittingly engaging in <i>selection</i>. It doesn&#x27;t matter if she&#x27;s your wife or your girlfriend. Is it toxic or growing?
nepotism2016about 8 years ago
Before Erdogan, Turkey had no middle class. You either lived in remote villages and lacked education OR you were &quot;rich&quot; thanks to high level of nepotism. Well, Erdogan changed all this, he moved people to into cities and these people didn&#x27;t forget and started to vote for him.<p>Before then, the Kemalist or secular people were very relaxed, they knew from history if some how they lost the government, military coup will restore power. Again, Erdogan changed this.<p>Even by anti-erdogan majority, Erdogan is seen as the only true politician in Turkey, he knows how to convince or play people&#x2F;groups. Just ask Gulen Movement!
mk89about 8 years ago
How come that all dictators have one thing in common?<p>They don&#x27;t understand that the more you forbid certain things, the more people are willing to fight for it.<p>They should do exactly like in the West: give us the feeling we are free, while a few companies decide what we have to do, what we have to wear, what we have to eat :)<p>This way, your economy flourishes, you are not perceived as a dictator, and neighbor countries don&#x27;t want to invade you because of human rights :D
yeukhonabout 8 years ago
I would understand blocking WikiLeaks but blocking Wikipedia is a whole level of cenorship. Turkish people should reconsider their freedom. I don&#x27;t live there and I am not Turk so I can&#x27;t make more comments not knowing what&#x27;s really going on there. God bless.
exabrialabout 8 years ago
I love the Turkish people and the rich cultural heritage of the country, but everything I hear about Erdogan is pretty scary. My only beef with the people of Turkey is I wish they&#x27;d take a leadership role into making peace with the Kurds.
rdslwabout 8 years ago
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist.<p>Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist.<p>Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew.<p>Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;First_they_came_.." rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;First_they_came_..</a>.
baxtrabout 8 years ago
So, the question is: What can we do as a community? Come on guys. We have probably many of the smartest people on this planet reading this shit here right now.<p>What can we do? What could be a cool tool, solution, initiative? Ideas anybody?!
jaddoodabout 8 years ago
It seems it is forbidden for the Turks to get cultivated like other people in the world... We live in an era of lack of information (which is probably like all other eras)
dalbasalabout 8 years ago
Does anyone know which article in particular triggered this?
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yak0about 8 years ago
Turks which knows wikipedia, already know how to use a vpn. It&#x27;s a ridiculous decision. Our ruling should find better solutions for such problems
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ausjkeabout 8 years ago
not quite sure about world politics, but it seems Turkey is backpedaling fast these days? Maybe one day they can license China&#x27;s greatwall-firewall IP?
agumonkeyabout 8 years ago
Any alternative ? mirrors ? slimmed torrent distribution ?
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gcb0about 8 years ago
hn gets useless in threads like this. we badly need a collapse comment tree feature.<p>so much off topic flame wars when everyone should be setting up tor nodes.
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PleaseHelpMeabout 8 years ago
Oh, poor the students there.
darkhornabout 8 years ago
This is idiocracy!
efuquenabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;m pretty disappointed by some of the comments here. Because Turks voted him in that makes Erdogan&#x27;s autocratic rule OK? There is no free press, hundreds of thousands that have had any association with opposition groups have been jailed, the referendum vote has been widely discredited as fraudulent. Hitler was voted into office too, I guess that just ended up being the German&#x27;s problem? Democracy doesn&#x27;t die without a majority of the population allowing it to, that doesn&#x27;t make it right and that doesn&#x27;t excuse some of the blase attitude I see here. You know you can care about something without wanting to go to war over it.
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louithethridabout 8 years ago
Consider if you will - a diffrent approach to infrastructure altogether. There are no cables, no centralized Servers - just wifi capable devices.<p>How does it route, i hear you asking? It routes by likelihood of connection to social plankton. Social plankton is every group your device ever connects to- and is constituted by those members of the group, which who can gather the most &quot;Yes&quot;-votes about theire prediction, of the behaviour of the group. Take a bus filled with people driving to work. They always constitute from slightly diffrent devices, but the time is always the same, the amount of devices is always the same- and there is always that one deciding device - belonging to the social plankton &quot;transportation-company&quot; without the plankton would never come together.<p>Now lets take the greatest possible counter example: A convention of bus drivers, riding on a bus to the first convention of its kind. They would debate alot, and agree upon it beeing a bus- but neither could secure a majority - which bus it is. None of the driving by social plankton - called houses and cars, is able to identify the bus of busses, thus a new social plankton class is created.<p>How does a adress in this add-hoc net look like? It consists of a Unique identifier, wrapped into layers of social plankton, sorted by likelihood. The social organism city is likely to know the social organism university within. The key ingredient is, that inner-plankton, can be encrypted and decrypted only after arrival at the outter plankton.<p>So this allows for -extremely slow, in extremely big burst- communication to happen. Without any IP-Provider or Infrastructure Controll authority having a hand on it.<p>Even better, it allows for Meta-Organisms to host services. Lets say, i have a shard of Wikipedia on my cellphone, and im part of the opt-in plankton &quot;FreeSociety&quot;, any request to a wikipedia server, that bounces with no return off the web, could bounce back through the social organisms internal, until it reaches me, gets a package returned, and the web is down but the gate is up.
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davidf18about 8 years ago
Why can&#x27;t there be some sort of peer-2-peer Wikipedia or in fact any database that keeps people from blocking it?
thinknotabout 8 years ago
&gt;People in the West need to wake up and do their due diligence on Erdogan&#x27;s regime. There&#x27;s some seriously scary stuff happening because of this guy.<p>Honest question, why should the west care about every single problem that happens anywhere in the world? Why should we spend billions in wars, shed lots of our own blood, etc? Haven&#x27;t we had enough of that?
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knownabout 8 years ago
Another North Korea?
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someguuabout 8 years ago
Governments yield too much power, meanwhile citizens keep funding said governments with ridiculously high taxes.<p>Trying to fix governments is counterproductive, just need to decentralize things imho.
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