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Show HN: Dazzle – Mobile web browser designed from first principles

57 pointsby spoluabout 8 years ago

16 comments

cupcakestandabout 8 years ago
Tried Dazzle few times this afternoon and this browser is just brilliant.<p>Why: Currently, user interaction with tabs on mobile browsers is totally broken and super cumbersome. Dazzle is merging browsing history with tabs which is smart and leads to a super smooth user experience. Actually, there are no tabs anymore, just the browser history which pops ups every time you touch the address bar at the bottom. Simple but nice solution.<p>Moreover, it offers a bigger viewport than Safari does (no iOS navigation bar at the bottom und a black slick and super slim address bar).<p>Finally, I like the slightly rounded corners of the viewport. All small and subtle stuff but shows that the creator cares about a polished appearance.<p>But I am not sure about the landing page and this &#x27;first principle&#x27; thing. People don&#x27;t get it and it sounds super awkward. Really remake the landing page, make it slicker, put some screenshots there, remove the first principle blabla, find a punchy headline and remake all the copy.<p>You should definitely keep on working on this and not let yourself getting discouraged. The product and the minimalistic approach you chose is excellent, the Marekting&#x2F;branding not so.
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deanclatworthyabout 8 years ago
As a product page visitor using mobile your page is useless to me. No screenshots, no intro video. I&#x27;m not going to make a commitment to using something without either of those two.
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spoluabout 8 years ago
Hi HN!<p>I built dazzle with Antoine out of the frustration of having to use tabs on mobile. We wanted to explore a shared history&#x2F;tabs mechanism that we expected to be particularly adapted to mobile usage.<p>After a few months of dog fooding we felt like it was time to share it publicly even if it&#x27;s still a bit rough on the edges (and very experimental really).<p>Hope you have fun trying it, feedback welcome and encouraged.
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lobster_johnsonabout 8 years ago
This looks very promising. A few things:<p>I couldn&#x27;t find a gesture to bring up sharing&#x2F;action extensions [1]. This is super important. For example, I use 1Password for logins all the time.<p>Also, the rounded corners are distracting and look like an anachronism. I want to view a web page the way it was intended, i.e. not with rounded corners. It should be possible to turn it off.<p>The &quot;X&quot; in the URL field is confusing. I took it mean that it would clear the field, which is how a lot of iOS input fields work. But it actually closes the pane. I recommend moving it somewhere else and putting back the classic &quot;X&quot; that <i>does</i> clear the field.<p>No way to reload a page without going into the URL field and hitting &quot;Go&quot; again is a bit annoying.<p>The &quot;history&quot; is nice as a shorthand, but it&#x27;s not good enough to be the real web browsing history. I like to keep all my history so I can search it. (No history search either?)<p>I get the idea of using browser history as a substitute for tabs. However, if it&#x27;s going to work, it has to <i>work</i> like tabs. Right now, if I go back to a previously visited page, it will not preserve any of its state (such as scroll position or form contents).<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;ios&#x2F;human-interface-guidelines&#x2F;extensions&#x2F;sharing-and-actions&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;ios&#x2F;human-interface-guidelines&#x2F;e...</a>
michaelmiorabout 8 years ago
What are the &quot;first principles&quot; you based the design on?
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snissnabout 8 years ago
What security promises can you make? How do I know that you&#x27;re not hijacking my cookies and passwords? I atleast trust apple and Google with my data before even opening their browsers
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w33bleabout 8 years ago
Nice job! Of all the third party browsers I&#x27;ve tried on iOS, this is the only one that feels as nice as mobile Safari, and the only one I&#x27;d consider using full time.<p>Do you have any plans to implement bookmarks, or any way to &quot;pin&quot; items in the history? I use the mobile Safari favorites all the time for quick access to 4 or 5 sites. Seems like the one thing missing from Dazzle.
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improbable22about 8 years ago
Just tried this a bit, I like the idea of a simple browser, have tried lots.<p>Like having the address at the bottom, hate that Safari has this and tabs at opposite ends of tge phone. Corners are cute. Agree with Lobster that &quot;X&quot; is confusing, but useful... seems like the right button with the wrong symbol.<p>It would also be nice if the last few pages could be frozen, so as not to lose scroll position and half typed comments... but perhaps hard? One better than safari would be to show which tabs are still loaded.<p>How do I clear cookies? My vote would be for this to happen in the background, perhaps 24hrs after I looked at the page which put them there.<p>Is it possible for it to use my iOS content blockers?
drizzeabout 8 years ago
Great app, totally going to start using it on a day to day basis. It looks like deep links appear to be broken for me:<p>Link <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;itunes.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;app&#x2F;public-wifi-nyc&#x2F;id1232095734?mt=8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;itunes.apple.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;app&#x2F;public-wifi-nyc&#x2F;id1232095734...</a><p>Renders this screen <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;E29QX" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;E29QX</a><p>Also is there better place I can submit this kind of feedback?<p>EDIT:<p>Found github repo and made an issue: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;spolu&#x2F;dazzle&#x2F;issues" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;spolu&#x2F;dazzle&#x2F;issues</a>
afro88about 8 years ago
Wow, this is done in React Native: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;spolu&#x2F;dazzle" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;spolu&#x2F;dazzle</a>
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fiatjafabout 8 years ago
It isn&#x27;t tab management that is keeping the web from shining on mobile devices, it is basically the load time of webpages + Javascript, I think. Also the inability for the user to decide to store a website, so it loads faster the next time, including, for example, those GIF sites that take so much to load every time someone sends you a GIF that they may prefer to download the GIF and send it directly on the IM app.
symlinkkabout 8 years ago
What is the point of having a third party browser on iOS when you can&#x27;t change the default from Safari?
fulafelabout 8 years ago
What does first principle mean here? Is it a from-scratch engine or is it a redesign of the chrome, or both?
untilHellbannedabout 8 years ago
just installed it, i&#x27;m loving it. Most important to me is that it&#x27;s FAST. Feels much faster than iOS Safari and iOS Chrome.<p>I tried to like Brendan Eich&#x27;s Brave browser for about 2 weeks, but I didn&#x27;t detect any clear advantages, so I stopped.<p>Keep up the good work!
kup0about 8 years ago
If it had options to block ads, I would be very interested.
rgloverabout 8 years ago
This is hot. Nice work.