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IBM says remote working is great after forcing employees to work from office

124 pointsby srinathrajaramabout 8 years ago

25 comments

nobleachabout 8 years ago
The no-work-from-home mentality is something I wish would die. I&#x27;ve heard form plenty of friends who&#x27;ve been interviewing with tech companies lately, that it&#x27;s a discouraged practice. I make it a contingency for any job I&#x27;ve considered over the last 5 years. We&#x27;re all adults, if you are worried that you won&#x27;t know what I&#x27;ve been up to, you can check my Pull Requests in our source control system. If you worry that communication is an issue, just watch the Slack channels in which I&#x27;m involved. I mean, I can come to work and put on my headphones and talk to you via Slack, or do so from my couch at home. The most common excuse I get is that &quot;some bad apples ruined it for the whole bunch&quot;. I&#x27;m sorry... a multi-billon dollar company isn&#x27;t kindergarten. It is entirely possible to create a behavior improvement plan for ONE &quot;bad apple&quot;. The rest of us big boys and girls can probably handle it. I just switched team at my current job and have started getting the &quot;well, we don&#x27;t want to abuse it&quot; talk. What??? Abuse? quit treating it like it&#x27;s some sort of privilege. I work. I use a laptop... which means as long as I have an internet connection and VPN access, I can do it from anywhere! If you&#x27;re worried you can&#x27;t get an answer to your question on a moment&#x27;s notice, try Slacking me sometime.<p>I find this very common with managers that are scared that they are irrelevant. (they may not understand what their employees actually do) So they work hard to micro-manage the details they _do_ understand. It&#x27;s sad. I&#x27;m a pretty good self-starter&#x2F;motivator, and when I work from home, I typically start an hour earlier. When I&#x27;m at my desk in the building, I get distracted all day (whether by requests, or just talking to other employees) When will the tech industry learn?
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drewg123about 8 years ago
An old friend recently parted ways with IBM after he was asked to relocate from the middle of nowhere to one of their major offices. They offered him minimal relocation, and a minimal COL based raise to move. He did the math, and realized that the cost of living was so high where was being asked to relocated (Almaden), that he&#x27;d be better off just letting his wife be the primary breadwinner and living on one income.
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ChuckMcMabout 8 years ago
In my short time at IBM I found the company the most conflicted about two issues, &#x27;cloud&#x27; and &#x27;remote work&#x27;.<p>When we were acquired there were lots of people we encountered who worked from home. Some more effectively than others. We also encountered buildings like the Almaden research center with long narrow hallways with offices on either side. That were apparently &#x27;classic IBM&#x27; office space.<p>When I left, more and more people were being asked to work at the office, and the new offices were open plan, quite literally shoulder to shoulder, rows and rows of desks. I felt both choices were untenable for long term stability.<p>And as with most organizations the implementation is always at the manager level and I know that at least one manager had pretty much told their people that folks could work from home if they didn&#x27;t want to make the long trek into the office, regardless of what the current policy was.<p>So where did that leave you? If left you with the real estate services guys following one set of rules, and managers making up their own rules to preserve morale. Not a recipe for success.<p>I found it very hard to engage the right people to talk about the disconnect.
chrisbennetabout 8 years ago
I imagine that the <i>real</i> reason for IBM&#x27;s &quot;everyone must work in the office&quot; was to get staff to quit rather than laying them off.
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baursakabout 8 years ago
This seems like a classical case of right hand doesn&#x27;t know what the left hand is doing at a huge institution, multiplied by the author&#x27;s desire to get a 6-paragraph story out, where the headline is half the size of the story&#x27;s body.<p>The opposing &quot;hands&quot; in this case are &quot;company&#x27;s Smarter Workforce branch&quot;, whatever that is, and &quot;Chief Marketing Officer&quot; in a message addressed only to his subordinates.<p>But sure, both can be classified as &quot;The IBM&quot;, no matter how stretching or misleading that may be.
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colmvpabout 8 years ago
&gt; There is only one recipe I know for success, particularly when we are in as much of a battle with Microsoft and the West Coast companies as we are, and that is by bringing great people with the right skills, give them the right tools, give them a mission, make sure they can analyze their results, put them in really creative inspiring locations and set them free.<p>Some people excel just by being in a location with a bunch of highly talented and capable individuals. Others can work mostly on their own and may excel with more authority over their work space to make themselves more conducive to flow and deep work.<p>There are many legit criticisms of remote work and it&#x27;s not for everyone or every organization, but neither are open office plans, flat structures, open-ended vacation policies, flexible work hours, etc.<p>Personally, I&#x27;m able to work and study more deeply and creatively when I&#x27;m on my own because I don&#x27;t have any visual or auditory distractions.
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archildressabout 8 years ago
I work in a much more traditional industry than IBM, but I&#x27;ve recently been humored by management&#x27;s resistance to remote work while hiring personnel in India to handle the &quot;transactional&quot; work.
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filereaperabout 8 years ago
I&#x27;d hazard much of it is due to poor tooling.<p>IBM is still on Notes and Sametime, these tools are fine for small groups i.e less than five but the experience degraded with the size of the group.<p>I&#x27;m specifically referring to group conference calls with shared desktop sessions. Email is fine.<p>Generally most of the communication tools were archaic and getting rid of them has been difficult as most current business processes relied on them (ie Notes databases not showing up in Verse)<p>Working remote needs quality tools across the org.
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mgkimsalabout 8 years ago
Haven&#x27;t worked &#x27;for&#x27; another company in a while, but my recollections jive with the experience of many current colleagues. You&#x27;re generally expected to be in the office during &quot;working hours&quot;, but there isn&#x27;t a hard &quot;5pm cutoff&quot; time. Someone has an urgent need at 8pm, and you don&#x27;t answer the call&#x2F;email&#x2F;text&#x2F;whatever, you&#x27;re dinged as &#x27;not a team player&#x27;, and will eventually be relegated.<p>You&#x27;re often expected to be &#x27;on&#x27; 24&#x2F;7 (as in, not always <i>working</i>, but ready&#x2F;able to work if need be), but also have to be physically at a location during certain hours. &quot;Vacation&quot; time may be the exception, as long as it doesn&#x27;t interfere too much with everyone else&#x27;s work schedules.<p>I&#x27;ve seen some counterexamples, but they&#x27;re rare enough in my circles to be the exception vs the rule.
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Taylor_ODabout 8 years ago
If a company isnt willing to let someone work from home they should be willing to create the same work station in the office. My biggest gripe about being in the office is that I have to use a under powered laptop, company chair, cant control the heat &#x2F; light situation, someones always moving my plant slightly, depending on the job I may have a office space or it may be a open office plan...<p>Even if I&#x27;m slightly less focused when I&#x27;m working from home the time that I am focusing on work is 10x more productive due to the environment being set up how I like it.
bitmageabout 8 years ago
The classic lowest common denominator manager: &quot;I may not understand what you do, I may not be able to judge your performance, but I can damn well tell if your butt is in your seat by 8 am.&quot;
derwikiabout 8 years ago
&gt; Leaning on insights from the public sector and the world of academia, the panelists came to the revelation that “teleworking works, and that associated challenges can be managed with careful planning and communication.”<p>Efficient teleworking can be had for healthy orgs that practice careful planning and communication. But that does not imply IBM has healthy orgs that practice careful planning and communication.
supergeek133about 8 years ago
The real reason companies do these kinds of policy changes is along the lines of the following (but not limited to):<p>- A legacy style executive comes in and cannot &quot;see&quot; people working therefore they are not working<p>- There is rampant abuse in the model<p>- Productivity is measurably down (e.g., when Best Buy removed work from home they were in talks to be taken private)<p>- People can&#x27;t get a hold of each other when everyone works from home. Communication issues.<p>When I was working at Best Buy and the policy was rescinded, you had MANY people habitually abusing it. They would block off entire days of their calendar and say &quot;I&#x27;m working from home, I don&#x27;t accept meetings on X day.&quot; Usually a Friday, imagine that. It was obvious what people were doing. Some people even drove in with their boat on the trailer and said &quot;I&#x27;m working from home after lunch&quot;.<p>However, as more and more companies become global, it&#x27;s harder to enforce &quot;butt in seat&quot;. For instance I get up early in the morning to talk to people in CZ, others go home and sit on calls with India teams. Then they&#x27;re expected to be in the office next morning. That&#x27;s not a sustainable model.<p>There are many pros and cons to both sides of the argument. I personally tend to find myself more productive in the office than I do at home most days, so I come in. However is it nice to have flexibility? Absolutely.<p>However people have to understand underneath the corporate BS and HR BS, there is likely a real perceived problem that either nobody understands how else to solve, or employees aren&#x27;t being very honest with themselves that causes this kind of backlash.<p>The last point I&#x27;ll make, is that some people that work from home all day are just downright impossible to communicate with sometimes. It&#x27;s hard to have one part of the workforce that works from home, and may be gone for a period of time mix with another side of the same workforce that is at the office for a determined amount of time.
josh_fyiabout 8 years ago
Marissa Mayer did this in Yahoo. In each case it is a desperation measure in a declining company.
epcabout 8 years ago
IBM did a “back to the field” thing in the 1980s to encourage people to leave the various labs and join field teams. This was back in the no–layoffs era at IBM. About ten years later many of those people got caught out as IBM quickly downsized in 1993–1995.<p>So this isn&#x27;t the first time IBM has done this sort of thing.<p>When I ran www.ibm.com we had a mix of local (NYC) and remote staff, mostly doing sysadmin tasks, not so much programming. Everyone hung out on our internal IRC channel. We&#x27;d do daily checkins and document everything that happened in a Notes db (ugly but the advantage that we could keep a reference copy on our laptops).
pkayeabout 8 years ago
Honestly I don&#x27;t know anyone would choose to work for IBM unless they absolutely have no other alternatives. They seem to be getting worse and worse for their employees year after year.
maxxxxxabout 8 years ago
That&#x27;s pretty common hypocrisy. Open offices are great as long as you are not a director or higher. Limiting salary increases is necessary unless you are top management. Any kind of work can be offshored as long as it&#x27;s not management. And so on.
geodelabout 8 years ago
Many have pointed out contradiction in what IBM saying vs doing. I think these both statements are okay in respective context. Remote working support seems IBM research type result while asking people to work is their current business reality.<p>IBM revenue is declining every quarter for last 5 years and I think lot of remote work jobs in IBM are off-site consulting. Since these people are not at client site they might as well work from home instead of showing up at IBM office. But now those consulting revenues are falling and IBM really needs to bring those people to offices to see where they can be redeployed.
bitmapbrotherabout 8 years ago
IBM&#x27;s clients should also adopt the same strategy as IBM and do away with IBM&#x27;s remote offshore developers.
Mendenhallabout 8 years ago
I can see a fair amount of situations that would be better to have employees on location. That being said I wonder if a part of the &quot;dont work from home&quot; type feelings come from managers&#x2F;employees who may resent that they have to be on location?
quotemstrabout 8 years ago
It&#x27;s really amazing to see companies completely ignore the practices of other successful companies. In my career, I&#x27;ve seen this willful blindness hurt companies over and over again.
solotronicsabout 8 years ago
provide a nice environment like at Facebook or Google and I would be glad to come in.. there are a lot of people still working from home at IBM
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marcgcombiabout 8 years ago
These trends come and go, like the tides. Remember that I said this: the IBM bean counters will publish a study in a couple of years that shows that it is massively expensive to maintain on-premise work sites for knowledge workers.... and they will kick everyone out, again. LOL Lemmings
squozzerabout 8 years ago
It&#x27;s called &quot;eating your own dog food&quot; for a reason. What reason that is in this case, I have no idea.
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rodionosabout 8 years ago
&gt; where it concluded that work-from-home _talent_<p>See, that&#x27;s how words get diluted. If everyone is a talent, we end up with new hyperboles, i.e. 10x developer. If everyone is an associate, where are the employees? Too many chiefs, not enough Indians...