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Qualcomm, Microsoft Announce Snapdragon 835 PCs with Gigabit LTE

184 pointsby yurisagalovalmost 8 years ago

27 comments

kevin_b_eralmost 8 years ago
&gt; With a Snapdragon inside your PC, you&#x27;ll no longer need Wi-Fi to fetch your latest e-mail and catch up on Twitter. Instead, you&#x27;ll be able to get online wherever there&#x27;s cellular connectivity.<p>I&#x27;m not buying the optimism, especially not in the US. The cellular data is still horribly limited. In Canada it is even worse. The &quot;unlimited&quot; plan is surging back, but it has automatic throttling at varying points.<p>Oh and since we&#x27;re talking Microsoft and Windows, you can&#x27;t control data usage. Windows 10 uploads your personal information at unknown intervals and downloads ads and sponsored apps without consent.<p>What good is faster cell data with horrible data limits and an OS with a poor concept of when data is permissible even in the &quot;Enterprise&quot; edition?
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wyldfirealmost 8 years ago
I look forward to learning more about this product. I love that we&#x27;re moving non-x86 into mainstream consumer products like this (and not limited to low-end chromebooks, e.g.).<p>ARM SoCs lack the backward compatible x86 BIOS-style bootstrap. This is great because it&#x27;s kinda crazy to think about booting into stuff like MBR, real mode, etc in 2017. But this is bad because without good standards it&#x27;s really tricky to have a generic installer for another OS. Also, all or nearly all ARM SoCs have signed bootloaders. Great: less fear of a rootkit&#x2F;virus hiding in my system. Awful: often used to protect subsidies or other business model hijinks; can&#x27;t install an alternate OS.
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swileyalmost 8 years ago
This is actually a very bad thing.<p>Qualcomm is decidedly against open source and open firmware, this will bring the closed disposable worthless logic board with the unmodifiable OS from your phone and into your laptop.<p>Microsoft likes it of course because it means more control for them.<p>TL;DR: Intel is not being abandoned because it&#x27;s too closed, it&#x27;s being abandoned because it&#x27;s too open!
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al2o3cralmost 8 years ago
<p><pre><code> Asus, HP, and Lenovo are all planning to introduce Snapdragon Mobile PC systems at some unspecified time in the future, for some unspecified price. </code></pre> In other news, today at the Vaporware Expo every computer manufacturer announced plans to release a new device featuring unspecified hardware at some unspecified time in the future for an unspecified price.
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Samathyalmost 8 years ago
I&#x27;m really excited about ARM laptops, but only if:<p>* They have laptop-class performance, not tablet class performance * They can have more than 4GB of RAM * You can put reasonable sized standard SATA SSDs in them, or user-replaceable M.2 drives. * You can easily wipe Windows off them and put Linux on it.
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yreadalmost 8 years ago
There is a bit more detail here (with pictures)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.notebookcheck.net&#x2F;Prototype-of-Snapdragon-835-powered-notebooks-unveiled.224926.0.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.notebookcheck.net&#x2F;Prototype-of-Snapdragon-835-po...</a>
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walterbellalmost 8 years ago
<i>&gt; the new operating system will include x86 emulation, giving it the ability to run 32-bit Windows desktop applications unmodified</i><p>Is this emulation done with a combination of hardware &amp; software?
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emilecantinalmost 8 years ago
&gt; Gigabit LTE<p>Wow, now I can bust my monthly data allotment in just a second! (or ~6s if you get the &quot;big&quot; data plan)
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natchalmost 8 years ago
The last thing I want is more engagement in my current relationships with cellular service companies.<p>If Qualcomm and Microsoft really want a game changer, they should sink some of their vast resources into making mesh networking take off.
shams93almost 8 years ago
I see this as an attack on ipad for business. I worked for a company that had to support ipads for business, we were using Xamarin and it was a slow and painful, expensive process but the systems were easy to manage, although using an onscreen keyboard was limiting. Imagine the same benefits of ipad for business without having to license a private app store from Apple. Imagine the cost per unit is lower and you can use .Net without the pain of Xamarin involved to roll out software as regular win32 binaries instead of jumping through hoops to produce an ios app in a .Net based business.
technofiendalmost 8 years ago
Does anyone else get the cold sweats just thinking about a <i>Windows</i> machine sitting essentially naked on the internet? Sure, Windows has a firewall. I still wouldn&#x27;t really trust there are no zero days in it. This will make a damn fine Chromebook or Linux machine. Windows? Particularly with Qualcomm writing the unauditable radio stack? (See Google&#x27;s Project Zero for why <i>that&#x27;s</i> a bad idea.) No thanks.
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flavio81almost 8 years ago
I think this is GREAT news, because it implies the following.<p>a. - Intel and AMD losing their pseudo-monoply on PC&#x2F;laptop chips, perhaps enabling bringing some prices down.<p>b. - Mainstream PCs abandoning the old x86 (+IA64, AMD64) instruction set for a more modern instruction set which (i guess) enables more modern, more power-efficient architectures.<p>but <i>much more exciting than the above is that...</i><p>c. - The jump to a more power-efficient CPU will enable me to have a nice desktop PC with, say, 128 cores, and with no extravagant cooling system or ridiculously high power consumption (I need to pay the power bills, anything that will be on for at least 8 hours a day will be watched for power consumption.). I know that there are already ways to take advantage of GPUs, but they are for specific operations. A desktop PC with a huge lot of cores will bring more generalized performance improvement.<p>And TRUE hardcore multitasking...<p>d. - This will push all vendors and Open Source projects to improve on their compiler support for that architecture.
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subwayalmost 8 years ago
I love the concept -- I already use a laptop with an LTE modem, but I really wish Qualcomm would lay off on giving their baseband such low level access to the application cores.<p>I already begrudgingly use a phone where I know the carrier can execute arbitrary code accessing system memory, I really don&#x27;t want that on my laptop too.
squarefootalmost 8 years ago
WiFi is to cellular connectivity what local storage is to the cloud. Apparently it&#x27;s all fine and dandy, then one day someone on the other side change their mind and you lose this or that feature, in other words control.<p>Cellular connectivity can be useful as cloud storage can be, but I&#x27;d never ever use anything that depends on either for connectivity or storage. Moving every resource behind a tap the user cannot control is not the way to go, although I&#x27;m sure IT companies will keep pushing in that direction for obvious reasons.
loki22almost 8 years ago
If SD835 is put in PCs the performance is going to be abysmal due to x86 emulation layer. Consequently, the price of the devices is going to be low, most likely in the same range as low end Pentium and Atom laptops&#x2F;convertibles.<p>The same chip with lower performance (due to power considerations) in high end phones costing upwards of $600-900, makes it an interesting gambit.
0xFFCalmost 8 years ago
Wow, This is what I was talking about when I got down voted two or 3 days ago. Yes, ARM&#x2F;Qualcomm in no position to compete with INTEL high-end desktop CPUs. But they are perfectly capable of competing in low-end market and multi-processor environment. This will hurt INTEL in long term very badly. ARM will come to the desktop. No matter we like it or not.
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bhaueralmost 8 years ago
If you are part of the cult-like group that dreams of a future Surface Phone, which includes myself, this is an interesting milestone. If such a device has been in the works in the past, Intel&#x27;s cancellation of Morganfield (Broxton SoC for phones) was a huge set-back.<p>Microsoft pursuing x86 emulation on ARM, while certainly of interest to low-cost traditional form-factors such as laptops and tablets, is also interesting because it reinvigorates the <i>idea</i> of a Surface Phone. Of course, the reality remains to be seen.<p>For those unfamiliar, the concept that many of us imagine for a Surface Phone includes an evolution of today&#x27;s Windows 10 Mobile <i>Continuum</i> feature that, as with Ubuntu Phones and some fringe Android devices, allows a phone to act as a full computer when docked to a keyboard, mouse, and display. While Continuum exists today on devices such as the Lumia 950 and HP Elite x3, it is limited to Windows&#x27; &quot;Universal&quot; applications, and does not work with x86 or even older Windows Phone applications. Still, the appeal of a single-device lifestyle is considerable and many people would love to simplify the technology in their life to a phone that is also their desktop&#x2F;mobile computer. Many of the youngest generation already do this by simply conceding (willingly or unknowingly) they will never enjoy the advantages of computing with large monitors, keyboards, and mice.<p>In order for a single device to successfully fulfill these multiple roles, it needs to be able to run real applications and not just in a &quot;enlarged phone OS&quot; fashion seen on devices such as the iPad Pro.<p>If a Surface Phone were to materialize, I would expect Windows 10 Mobile and Windows 10 to become more converged than they are today. When using Continuum on a Lumia 950, Windows 10 Mobile is doing a respectable job of impersonating a Windows 10 desktop; but it&#x27;s a veneer. For a Surface Phone to be a viable computer, I think it would start with Windows 10 (full version for ARM) and adapt <i>downward</i> to the phone form-factor, rather than today&#x27;s opposite of a phone-tailored operating system adapting upward. Yes, W10 and W10M are very similar today, but a SP device would, I feel, push them closer together.<p>Of course, there is no genuine credible news on such as device, and Microsoft has dodged questions, even downplaying the likelihood of such a device. There seems to be a widespread opinion that one should not even <i>try</i> to build momentum in today&#x27;s phone market, which I feel is shockingly myopic and pessimistic. Of course it&#x27;s not a simple matter to establish a foothold in mobile, but previous efforts, while half-hearted at times were nevertheless making (slow) progress until Microsoft pulled the rug out from beneath Windows Phone 8. The biggest challenge to a Surface Phone would be bigger than technology: it would be a test of Microsoft&#x27;s commitment to the idea.
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youdontknowthoalmost 8 years ago
If you think...I would buy one of these except that it has secure boot mandatory so I can&#x27;t install Linux or reinstall Windows...then you actually aren&#x27;t the market for these. Companies and consumers who don&#x27;t care are...and they will buy a lot of them.
adrianlmmalmost 8 years ago
I&#x27;d love to buy a Windows PC with ARM, I hope this becomes true.
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erikpukinskisalmost 8 years ago
Interesting point of convergence. This is probably first really mass market mobile VR chipset for positional tracking. Unless we turn out to need some kind of dedicated CV chip.
seaghostalmost 8 years ago
I hope in near future we&#x27;ll choose what we want to install on our mobile devices and use it as desktop as well. Think of it as way better version then Samsung Dex.
antiheroalmost 8 years ago
Fantasic, except in the centre of one of the most tech cities in the world, London, I can still barely scrape 200Kb&#x2F;s with Three outside Liverpool Street.
pulse7almost 8 years ago
I was reading very fast &quot;...Announce Snapdragon $35 PCs with Gigabit LTE&quot;... I hope the price will be $35...
Markoffalmost 8 years ago
nah, just give me the x86 win32 emulation on Android so i can ditch my laptop for mobile which already has more RAM, but i still need to keep laptop for one work app
zobzualmost 8 years ago
its interesting how ars basically copy paste the press release, even thus they very well know how much bs is in it.<p>nobody cares about integrity anymore?
exabrialalmost 8 years ago
Yes, but does it include a headphone jack?<p>&#x2F;s
Noctixalmost 8 years ago
I don&#x27;t see the purpose of this. Current Windows on ARM has pretty non existent support by developers.
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