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Estimating a nuclear blast with bits of paper

79 pointsby secretsingeralmost 8 years ago

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bdcsalmost 8 years ago
Wikipedia says the Trinity test was 20 kilotons. With Fermi estimating 10 kt, he was off by a factor of only two.<p>Of course Taylor got an estimate within 2 as well, using photographs published in Life magazine.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thatsmaths.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;18&#x2F;how-big-was-the-bomb&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thatsmaths.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;09&#x2F;18&#x2F;how-big-was-the-bomb&#x2F;</a>
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VLMalmost 8 years ago
Lets see if I can replicate his mental math. Assuming a lot of spherical cows. A Zeppelin weighs like 200 tons and is about 10 million cubic feet of gas. I did cheat and look that up, everything else, including all the following mistakes, was messed up in my own head. 10 KT of TNT is 10e3&#x2F;0.2e3 or 50 Zeppelins of gas when it goes boom aka 50 * 10 M cu ft = 500 million cu feet of gas.<p>So my theory is ten miles out the difference in volume between 10 miles and 10 miles+2.5 meters is half a billion cu ft. Now it doesn&#x27;t expand the dirt so the sphere result is 1.25 meters or 4 feet or assuming about 5000 feet per mile we&#x27;re talking a thousandth of a mile.<p>So my adjusted &quot;done in my head&quot; is at 10 miles, half a billion cu ft is the difference between 10 miles and 10.001 miles. At 5000 feet per mile 10 miles is about 50000 feet.<p>So if V = 4&#x2F;3 pi r cubed, the derivative is 4 pi r squared, huh where have I seen that before, so at ten miles worth of feet radius, the volume slope is about 4 pi 50k squared or what twelve times 2.5 million? Or 25 million cubic feet of air slope at 10 miles per foot of blast front expansion?<p>So my blast front of 10 kilotons or 50 Zeppelins worth of gas should result in a shift of a good 20 feet but the dude reports 2.5 meters which is about 10 feet.<p>That would imply to me that he measured a good 5 kilotons of air displacement.<p>There&#x27;s a heck of a lot of &quot;round to one sig fig&quot; and &quot;spherical cows&quot; and room temperature TNT explosions and foolishness like that so he probably gave himself a factor of two to handle that and I think that&#x27;s a realistic way to do in your head what he did.<p>The atmosphere is not a perfectly linear gas, its not constant pressure with height, blah blah.<p>Of course what he probably actually did, since this project was kinda his day job, he likely calculated this stuff out on a blackboard without any rounding or spherical cows to &quot;prove&quot; it should be about 1 meter of displacement for every 4 kilotons then his real &quot;in the head math&quot; was 2.5 times 4.<p>Are any of these numbers reasonable? Well sure. At 10 miles the blast wave of a 10Kt simple nuke is a couple feet and virtually everyone survives it plus or minus building collapses. Good luck with the fallout and the fire, but the blast won&#x27;t kill you, just knock you over probably. At 1 megaton that would be 100 times worse or like 250 meters instead of 2.5 meters and yes the survival rate at 10 miles of a 1 megaton fusion bomb is in fact roughly zero as you&#x27;d expect.
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Jedi72almost 8 years ago
One can only imagine what this moment must have been like for Fermi.
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rod_mdelcalmost 8 years ago
This anecdote is described in greater detail in &quot;The Pope of Physics&quot;, by Gino Segrè &amp; Bettina Hoerlin (Enrico Fermi&#x27;s biography told by a nephew of a close collaborator of the famous physicist). This fascinating episode is told in the first chapter, if I rember correctly. He also poses the &quot;how many piano tuners are in Chicago&quot; problem, using a similar approximation technique. Great read, totally recommended!