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$80k/month App Store Scam

716 pointsby amimaalmost 8 years ago

27 comments

blhackalmost 8 years ago
This is particularly annoying while my beta is &quot;waiting for review&quot; so I can have the privilege of giving it to a few beta testers.<p>How does apple not expect that annoying developers with their app store process (so much so that things like this exist: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fastlane.tools&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fastlane.tools&#x2F;</a>), <i>AND</i> charging them 30% <i>AND</i> apparently not actually reviewing anything about the apps making it into their store isn&#x27;t going to eventually drive people away from it?<p>(Why yes, I am cranky over the amount of hoops I had to jump through to get to the point of asking apple for permission to put my beta on my co-founder&#x27;s iPhone)
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bluntealmost 8 years ago
#1 - Apple has a quarter of a trillion dollars in cash. You would think they could afford intelligent, reasonable app review teams. Clearly they don&#x27;t bother, based on the complaints from honest developers and evidence of pure scams like this.<p>#2 - Average computer&#x2F;phone users are willfully ignorant. I would say stupid, but that&#x27;s a judgement call (even though I think it&#x27;s true). Someone with knowledge can advise them, but they cannot be bothered with all that fuss. They&#x27;d rather ignore sound advice and push buttons. After all, look at the who runs the country and the complacence of many of its people.<p>Have you ever had a friend who was a lawyer? Did you ever get some traffic ticket and think, &quot;Hey, I&#x27;ll ask Bob if he can help me handle this!&quot;? I&#x27;m guilty of this once in a while. But &quot;average users&quot; are guilty of doing this to technical people all the fucking time. And when we advise them of behaviors to change to avoid future incidents, they nod and agree, but then repeat the stupid behavior later.<p>Sorry for the rant, but perhaps it&#x27;s time to just start replying to scammed&#x2F;screwed users with, &quot;Oh wow, that&#x27;s really unfortunate. I guess you&#x27;ll have to go buy a new phone&#x2F;computer.&quot; Maybe that will jar them into actually using their brains.<p>* Edit for wine-related typos.
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notadocalmost 8 years ago
How does garbage like this get through the App Store? I thought Apple was notoriously strict on approvals?<p>Also, do people still use the App Store? I don&#x27;t think I have casually browsed for apps in 5 years or more.
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chatmastaalmost 8 years ago
These App Store ads are the Wild West right now. I&#x27;ve seen multiple cases where I search an exact app name, and that app&#x27;s competitor has the top &quot;spot&quot; due to buying an ad. It&#x27;s like if you searched for Uber and saw an ad for Lyft above it.<p>How long will apple allow this? At the very least it should be impossible to bid on trademarked terms, and no ad should ever outrank an exact match result.
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_pmf_almost 8 years ago
One thing of note: the spelling errors are deliberate to let only the most gullible people through to the last step (improving the odds that the person in question will not know how to report this as a scam or initiate a chargeback). The same tactics are used by ads on porn sites[0].<p>[0] Or so I have heard ... from a friend
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kennydudealmost 8 years ago
Some keywords need to return help topics instead. If you search &quot;virus scanner&quot;, Apple should tell users their device really doesn&#x27;t need one
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downandoutalmost 8 years ago
There has got to be more to this story. People would refute accidental purchases of $400&#x2F;mo. Perhaps these guys are using tech support scams etc to drive traffic to this thing, or they&#x27;re simply using stolen credit card numbers to setup Apple App Store accounts. Perhaps that&#x27;s why the spelling and layout is so bad...it&#x27;s possible that they don&#x27;t intend anybody outside of themselves to actually use it.
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htormeyalmost 8 years ago
wow, I&#x27;m pretty pissed off by this. One of my clients is a medical marijuana startup and we have had to jump through so many hoops to stay compliant with Apple&#x27;s random app store rules. We have been rejected on several occasions and pulled from the app store.<p>I also had another app that was accepted into the app store then when I pushed an update release I was informed that my logo had to change because it used Apple&#x27;s camera emoji. I only did this because another popular app did the same thing (down for lunch). In order to stay compliant, I had to change my logo.<p>I&#x27;m fine with said rules existing as in theory they are meant to protect lay customers from junk like this. How on earth did this thing make it through a review process that&#x27;s so hard on some apps?<p>I wish Apple would apply it&#x27;s rules and vetting with more consistency.
tyingqalmost 8 years ago
I was under the impression that the approval process for the app store was somewhat rigorous.<p>How did this app get through that?
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kuonalmost 8 years ago
This kind of things make me wonder why I am honest and poor (I mean not rich to the millions, I am not actually &quot;poor&quot;). I could do scams like this and be rich by the minute...
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akcreekalmost 8 years ago
How are chargebacks handled on the App store? I would assume a scam like this will receive a relatively enormous number of chargebacks.
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tinus_hnalmost 8 years ago
I don&#x27;t understand why such an obvious scam works; Apple keeps the money for a while so they should be able to cancel the developer account and refund all users.
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endgamealmost 8 years ago
At what point do you say &quot;no, the app store experiment has failed&quot; and give users control of their own devices?<p>Never, I guess.
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mericalmost 8 years ago
Looks like many of the keywords you can buy Ads for are underpriced. To advertise for a keyword you need to build can &quot;relevant&quot; to that keyword. It takes time for legitimate app developers to build apps to take advantage of those keywords. Until then, the underpricing of ads is taken advantage of by these &quot;scammers&quot; who build costly non-functional apps and recycle the earnings into buying ads for them.
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balladeeralmost 8 years ago
And I thought Apple vets the apps (and from what I heard even betas and upgrades&#x2F;updates too?) before letting it go live on the App Store.<p>As a long time Android user (and no I wans&#x27;t happy for most parts; and I wanted to taste the iOS waters both as an user and a mobile dev) who recently moved to an iPhone SE I feel really disappointed.
ge96almost 8 years ago
Haha I thought this was a how to guide initially as a &quot;good entrepreneur&quot; mind you good to me is subjective, or is it personal. Money is money right? I can&#x27;t ask my clients to pay me so I obvs don&#x27;t support that.<p>Nice into the rabbit hole though, should see how bad it gets with VMs.
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frightalmost 8 years ago
While it&#x27;s frustrating if taken at face value, Sensor Tower&#x27;s numbers aren&#x27;t totally valid. They get the number for a few of my apps really wrong. The download stats are more or less true, but the revenue can be way off.
jitbitalmost 8 years ago
Yeah.<p>And Apple just rejected my app because it has a &#x27;register free trial&#x27; link. Which is actually free, actually a trial, no CC info asked, no in-app purchase.<p>Their response was &quot;if you offering something - you should be using in-app purchases&quot;.<p>Oh. OK.
hellofunkalmost 8 years ago
When I read stuff like this I really lose faith in the human race.
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whyagaindavidalmost 8 years ago
Does nobody from apple read hn? How does one recommend iPhone to NGOs, privacy activists, other vulnerable people?
LoSboccaccalmost 8 years ago
yeah app store quality has dropped to google play levels to the point that one of ios last, actual, concrete advantage for non technical users is becoming moot.
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prodmercalmost 8 years ago
&gt; I’ve also never clicked on a Google Ad.<p>I&#x27;ve never done it, either. I clearly remember the only few times I clicked on AdSense ads - once by mistake, and was extremely annoyed at the results (it was a sort of list like search results), and 2-3 times to test my own AdSense ads (yeah, against ToS).<p>Yet AdSense is raking in billions. I&#x27;ve always wondered who actually clicks on the ads :D
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microcolonelalmost 8 years ago
You know, it&#x27;s sad that people are eager to pay Apple nearly a thousand dollars for a phone, buy an iCloud subscription to go with it, and maybe buy a MacBook (Pro?); and then content that after <i>all</i> of that money changes hands, Apple <i>still</i> wants to fill 80% of your screen with an advertisement. Then, if it wasn&#x27;t bad enough, they don&#x27;t vet the advertised applications for basic legitimacy (meanwhile legitimate apps frequently get caught up in endless nitpicking at submission).<p>I get why people do it, but it&#x27;s sad that they do.
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lordvonalmost 8 years ago
I get the feeling that companies like Amazon and Apple purposefully try to hide as much as possible&#x2F;tolerable the fact that you are subscribed to something (specifically, Apple apps and Amazon&#x27;s Audible). I&#x27;ve spent tens if not hundreds of dollars towards subscriptions I didn&#x27;t even know I had, and I&#x27;m afraid this might account for a shocking amount of revenue, as this article suggests. Microsoft on the other hand seems to let you know when you are going to charged again (I&#x27;ve experienced this with my office license subscription).
draw_downalmost 8 years ago
There&#x27;s no way that a huge portion of the blame for this is not Apple&#x27;s. Some of the ways they run the App Store were pretty silly starting out, and now just outright ridiculous.<p>Little distinction between ads and search results? No filtering or approval for ads? Scammy $100&#x2F;week subscriptions for nothing? Meanwhile you&#x27;re not allowed to make fun of the presidents elbows or whatever. Come on.
kuroguroalmost 8 years ago
Brilliant! Wish I would have thought of that xD
timwaaghalmost 8 years ago
finally i can be rich too! too bad i am not an ios dev. these apps are made by people from &#x27;nam. i doubt you could do this in a civilized country without getting sued into the ground though.