1. These salaries are for Bootcamp graduates, which means they'll be lower than someone with 5 years experience in programming.<p>2. These salaries are likely for the Bay Area, where a 1br apartment can cost you $3k+, and your tax rate will be 35% (state + federal). It's not comparable to places with lower tax rates and lower cost of living.
Here's another one that has 3600 salaries:
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNlZU2l0FEykKsQKttu7O6q7iQd2bU/edit#gid=1023506792" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1a1Df6dg2Pby1UoNl...</a>
Honestly was expecting a lot more, considering the salaries people throw around on Hacker News. Using <a href="http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-living-calculator.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/savings/moving-cost-of-l...</a> the adjusted value for $136,000 in SF to where I live in New York is a decent chunk less. Especially being in a DevOps/Systems role, and not a Software Dev one.
Look at the company names, I'm not buying this for graduates of a 12 week bootcamp.<p>Either this bootcamp is very selective in who they admit, or they are very selective in which salaries they show.<p>The only way you're passing multiple rounds of interviews at google/facebook/big name sv company after 12 weeks of study is if you already had a <i>significant</i> knowledge base before hand, you're some kind of algorithms savant, or you got <i>incredibly</i> lucky.
Is it only me or aren't these wages crazy high for people with only 0-2 years of experience?<p>I started as a fresh software engineer in Tokyo this year, and I'm making around $37k a year. I think that newbies earn about that much in Helsinki, Finland, too, where I'm originally from.
Bootcamp marketing methinks? I have never met a <i>recent</i> bootcamp grad who seemed even remotely qualified to work at Google as a SWE. Just don't buy it (keep in mind none of them had CS degrees or worked in industry before). I'd love to be proven wrong, in a verifiable way.
Salaries should not be secret. They don't have to be open to tying someone to a particular salary but I think there should be some law that mandates a greater transparency here. If economics taught me anything it's that the worst decisions are made when someone else has more information than you
This makes me want to cry. I'm below all but one of these entries. 30 years experience + full stack + dba.<p>All because of where I live (small northern ontario town -remotism?) and likley ageism (57). I should be getting paid MORE because of where I live.
These seem higher than most of my colleagues straight out of very reputable CS degree programs.<p>This doesn't make much sense since it appears most of these a/A (App Academy) finishers don't have relevant work experience and degrees.<p>It looks like App Academy really helps its participants negotiate salary and interview well. A few people have fairly senior titles. The reason for that isn't apparent.
These numbers are interesting, but could non-US folks please stop crying about the crazy high absolute numbers before doing some basic math and adjusting for other metrics besides total salary?<p>I always use Numbeo (<a href="https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/" rel="nofollow">https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/</a>) to compare cost of living, and quite often find that I would need to double my salary to have the same standard of living in SV or NYC, which would put me right in the middle of this list. But, and that's the bigger point here, this does not factor in that I could never live in places like the Valley, or work at some of the places on this list without being unhappy most of the time. I know this sounds harsh towards some folks here, but if you're happy where you currently are please do the math and really be honest to yourself about your priorities. Often you'll find that the grass isn't greener on the other side...
For comparison see average Police and Firefighter salaries in California: <a href="http://www.sacbee.com/site-services/databases/article2573210.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sacbee.com/site-services/databases/article2573210...</a><p>A police lieutenant in Mountain View averages 198k
Shameless plug but I made a website to search through almost 7 millions salaries from 2000 to 2015(I'm currently working on getting more recent data).<p><a href="http://www.jobsintech.io/visas" rel="nofollow">http://www.jobsintech.io/visas</a><p>Unfortunately its only salaries of foreigners.
Who here has actually interviewed Bootcamp graduates? I've had people who didn't know the difference between an object and an array, and people who had to comment their way through implementing a function that replicates "filter" in javascript.<p>I really don't buy it that people straight out of Bootcamp can land a job at any of these companies at such salaries. You need a lot more background knowledge before that.<p>Or is this a case of survivor bias, where these are the salaries of only the most qualified graduates who had a ton of background knowledge before going in?<p>I don't see it.
Hey all, I actually work at App Academy in the admissions department. Happened to see this while at work. These numbers are very much in-line with our graduate history ($105k average in SF, $89k in NY).<p>Seems like there is a decent amount of skepticism in this thread, but feel free to ask me anything!
The vast majority of these are App Academy (a/A) programming bootcamp graduates, which explains why only 10% have CS degrees. Bootcamp graduates are probably not representative of all CS grads, or even most devs, so take this with a grain of salt.
And here I am, living in Germany and getting told that asking for 60,000€ p.a. as a software engineer with 11 years working experience is waaay too much for most companies. Only the big ones like Bosch, Porsche, Daimler (all non-IT companies) and a few other exceptions will pay enough for a sustainable life.<p>At the same time we hear about regular reports about "shortage of skilled professionals" here in Germany, it's laughable, it's because no one wants to pay enough money, because cheap students are good enough. And I have to clean up their mess...
Way too much of a hard salary cap on $150k in this industry.<p>It'd be interesting to see a graph of how much additional compensation every additional year of experience gets you.<p>Also, how do I sort this dataset by column (eg. salary)?
This might be an interesting sheet to add to this service <a href="https://spreadshare.co" rel="nofollow">https://spreadshare.co</a>?<p>Here is another one regarding salaries in engineering <a href="https://spreadshare.co/spreadsheet/salaries-of-engineers" rel="nofollow">https://spreadshare.co/spreadsheet/salaries-of-engineers</a>
I don't know if this has been said yet, but this probably has heavy response bias. If you're a bootcamp grad making 70k per year, you probably won't report it.<p>The top 5-10 kids from each bootcamp per year probably make these high salaries. It's been years so there's a ton of them around. The others probably aren't making something this high.
Along these lines though not completely ready for launch yet, been working on a simple site for comparing title levels across companies. Salary data is more useful when contextualized across level / experience.<p>See: <a href="http://www.levels.fyi" rel="nofollow">http://www.levels.fyi</a>
From this it appears as though a full stack developer makes about the same or just a little more than a front end or back end developer. Wonder why this is. I would expect a full stack developer to make at least 1.5x of a FE or BE being that they are working in both among other things.
Senior dev salary in Berlin is 60-80k EUR, >40% taxes.
Compared to SF and London, rents are still cheap though. 2BR can be had for 700-1000 depending on quality and location. I saw a post from Buffer where 60k in Berlin equal 120-130k in SF or NY, not sure if that is true.
As a backend developer living in Germany, these salaries make me want to work remotely, for a US based company. I only make 40k, with several years of experience. Does someone here have experience with with working remotely from Germany?
Hmm, interesting.<p>I know software engineers with 10-20 years of experience in Seattle making roughly the same amounts at the same companies.<p>Is it a selection bias, or are California comp packages really that much higher than Seattle? (for entry level)
Would like to see this with more data, and then filtered down to only rows with full stock-refresh-vest cycles going on (e.g. if stock vests over 3 years, then only employees with 3+ years tenure, etc).
I would add a 'company is public' column to this spreadsheet. Even if you don't disclose the company, you can at least say if you can sell your equity easily ;)
Can't sort the table, and copy the whole document (though copy-paste of individual cells works). Is it Google's fault or is it published in a wrong way?
Wow! Plot this and visually analyze this. Flip out.<p>Even discarding the most intense outliers, there's essentially no logic to comp in these numbers.<p>People keep telling me they don't want to unionize. But you look at data like this and go, "Wow, what the hell is even going on."
If this spreadsheet shows me one thing it is that people need education on stock options. Several people put their number of stock options in the additional compensation field... which as many of you know is an absolute meaningless number.